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LightThatIgnitesAll t1_jb16p5q wrote

Barriston Selmy

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Premislaus t1_jb17h1n wrote

Doran Martell's actor (Alexander Siddig) as well IIRC. I believe he was pitched the book version of the character and was disappointed with what ended on the screen.

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JayPtl t1_jb18puj wrote

One of the worst decision made by dumb and dumber (not counting the last season)

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frezz t1_jb38jb4 wrote

If we are going GoT, Varys and Daenarys too

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jogoso2014 t1_jb18alb wrote

How?

He was portrayed the same way throughout.

He was opposed to being killed and who can blame him, but he could just as easily die in the books.

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Mr_Know_It_All0408 t1_jb1cpll wrote

One of the greatest and most skilled fighters to ever live and fight who served in the Kingsguard with numerous battle experience died in an alley to some amateur fighters. I'd be pissed too

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Blackrame t1_jb1qb01 wrote

I don't remember the scene, maybe it was shot in a stupid way. But I can say that the idea of an old, battle scarred knight being outnumbered and killed by some amateur butchers doesn't seem stupid to me.

>!Wasn't that different with Geralt!<

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twbrn t1_jb1p01t wrote

He's a man in his 60s who hasn't seen real combat in more than a decade, and he took down 11 men before he was killed.

People still whining about this are just desperate to find something to complain about in the show.

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frezz t1_jb395bk wrote

There's no character arc, It's a pointless death. It was D&D misunderstanding the "whole anyone can die at any moment" thing in GoT.

Robb and Ned Stark was shocking and did seem to come out of nowhere, but when you look back it did make perfect sense for the characters. They really had nothing left to do other than some sort of revenge fantasy plot, which ASOIAF is better than. It's also why everyone saw the Jon Snow resurrection thing coming a mile away, the character had too much left to explore to just end.

And it's why Barristen's death is so silly. The whole Barristan reuniting with a Targaryen only to see another one go crazy would've been super interesting to explore. Instead he just dies to a bunch of random goons for no reason

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jogoso2014 t1_jb3h1ui wrote

There is most certainly a character arc.

There’s tons of pointless death in the show and it seems silly to pretend Selmy’s character held more weight than others.

Quite frankly he was always just a servant for the other main characters.

There is nothing he provides except context for last actions which is important but never an ongoing necessity.

You can blame the writers all you want but you still haven’t given any evidence that his character has any chance if surviving much longer in the book narrative.

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frezz t1_jb3jnzm wrote

I don't know what you want from me? I don't have some sort of insight into GRRM's mind to know what he has in mind, nor have i managed to reduce asoiaf into a formula to predict events happening.

All i can say is that Barristan almost definitely has an arc. It's tied to dany of course, but he basically legitimises Dany by comparing her to Rhaegar. If we accept the mad queen theory is canon, the way Barristans arc ends definitely impacts the build up of that narrative. I'm not saying he'll survive much longer, but his death has to be better than dying to some random goons for no reason

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jogoso2014 t1_jb4mynd wrote

I didn’t want anything from you.

I made a true statement and people are acting like he’s supposed to be the hero of the show for some reason rather than what he very clearly was throughout- a side character.

Being upset about that is not something I have much control over, so until someone comes up with a storyline that indicates how crucial he continued to be in the story, I’ll just accept the notion that many disagree with my sound assessment and move on.

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ColdCruise t1_jb1iqp2 wrote

He's still alive in the books past where he died in the show and is Hand of the Queen, not Tyrion.

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jogoso2014 t1_jb1lbte wrote

Tyrion isn’t at that point in the book.

The storyline is different but the circumstances aren’t. He is literally heading out of the gate to face a mercenary army of thousands.

Tyrion is still a slave.

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