LeeF1179 t1_jad1ezg wrote
Does anyone know how well the series is doing? I don't ever see it talked about, a la The Last of Us or The White Lotus.
FrodoFraggins t1_jad2run wrote
Well those are newer but I'd say it's been a dud as far as entering the public consciousness goes. Amazon butchered both rings of Power and the Wheel of time shows imo.
Varekai79 t1_jadcwzj wrote
It's Amazon's most watched show ever, but that's not exactly a high bar and the network has been cagey as to its actual numbers. They've spent far too much money into it to cancel it. Unless someone on the inside leaks, we'll likely never know.
BlindPaintByNumbers t1_jaenhi2 wrote
Clarkson's Farm had higher viewing numbers in the UK than Rings of Power. The UK being the birthplace of Lord of the Rings.
I love this little fact.
JohnnyAK907 t1_jae6pmb wrote
... except it's not. First two episodes were, and then viewership tanked. It didn't even make the Nielsen Top 15 streaming shows of 2022, and was number 15 in Top 15 Original Streaming BEHIND The Boys at number 11.
FernandoPooIncident t1_jaehbg5 wrote
> First two episodes were, and then viewership tanked.
That's simply factually untrue. The Nielsen weekly figures were successively 1253, 1203, 988, 977, 966, 988, 1137 and 570 million minutes. Hardly "tanking" (especially considering that the first two episodes dropped at the same time, so the first week can be expected to have more minutes watched). But I realize this sub constructs its own reality.
Dhiya21 t1_jaeullf wrote
I'm curious how it'll do for the second season. The first season seems to be mostly gaining from the hype and curiosity. Ratings for the second season would show if people are committed enough to the show.
BlobFishPillow t1_jaeozan wrote
Don't bother with the truth on this sub. Some people decided they don't like the show, and will downvote anyone saying anything remotely positive about it, despite it not even being an opinion.
DarkSkiesGreyWaters t1_jaet79o wrote
I've seen people trying to claim the second season is 'in jeopardy' and might even be cancelled or the showrunners replaced...even though it's literally filming right now lol.
LeeF1179 t1_jaddd8h wrote
Do you think it is potentially an awards show contender?
Varekai79 t1_jade6wh wrote
I can see it getting nominated for various technical Emmys, but I can't realistically see it getting anything in the major categories. HBO is just too strong. They have Succession, The Last of Us, The White Lotus and House of the Dragon all in contention for the next Emmys.
jez124 t1_jadhu2l wrote
if not hbo theres also fx and Hulu, Apple TV.So I dont think except for score, costuming, effects it would compete.
AlbertoRossonero t1_jaeh8fr wrote
I’d agree if it was on merit alone but the Emmy’s seem to always nominate at least one show from each major production company. Stranger Things, Madalorian, and Euphoria aren’t Emmy worthy shows imo but they got nominated because they’re very popular shows from major streaming services.
makovince t1_jaddzl0 wrote
Emmys, or Razzies?
LeeF1179 t1_jade1wj wrote
🤣🤣🤣
Maninhartsford t1_jades24 wrote
Possibly production design, especially if sweeping cgi shots of cities count as production design
sprainedpinky t1_jaeh7yp wrote
😂😂 not at all.
sprainedpinky t1_jaeh3wi wrote
It’s terrible lol. Terrible writing, super slow pace to start, and the story feels randomly slapped together. They made Galadriel as a naive stupid girl instead of the wise badass elf that she is supposed to be. Overall terrible show for people who love Tolkien’s work.
Saar13 t1_jadd8ni wrote
It was the only non-Netflix show, along with The Boys, to make Nielsen's annual top 15 streaming list. It's a huge hit for Amazon (as the hated The Terminal List and The Wheel of Time are).
This sub has serious problems accepting that the opinion here is not necessarily validated by real data. Just like twitter, this is a closed bubble. Possibly this comment will disappear with negative votes, but the reality is that it was as or more successful than House of the Dragon and The Last of Us.
No one was more successful than Yellowstone, though (another truth this sub can't stand)
archlector t1_jaddnxn wrote
Where's the actual data showing that it was more successful than HoTD besides your comment? I am sure you know the Nielsen list excludes HBO shows and you are not ignoring this to satisfy your made up statistics.
Edited, See below.
morgoth834 t1_jadeh2k wrote
HotD was not included since it was not a streaming original (the list in question only included streaming originals). Honestly, the fact that RoP is the most expensive show of all time and barely cracked the list (it was #15 of 15) suggests that the show is not a huge hit, especially when considering its budget.
Titus01 t1_jadi1vu wrote
That is the key point. A Lord of the Rings show is going to have a huge potential audience just on name alone. Just cracking the top 15 given th eamount of money they paid for the rights is not a success.
TapedeckNinja t1_jae3yeg wrote
The Top-15 Streaming Originals was 13 Netflix shows and 2 Prime shows (The Boys and RoP).
The 2021 list was 12 Netflix shows, 1 Hulu show (The Handmaid's Tale), 1 Disney+ show (Wandavision), and 1 Apple show (Ted Lasso).
Making the top-15 at all is a success for any provider not named Netflix IMO.
k0peng t1_jaejp34 wrote
Except all three seasons of Ted lasso probably cost the price of 1 RoP episode and didn't have the name recognition LOTR has. That's the context you're speaking in. ROP definitely flopped a bit all things considered
archlector t1_jadevrc wrote
Aha. I was not aware of that criteria, I was thinking of the weekly Nielsen report. In that case, the above comment is absolutely meaningless.
FernandoPooIncident t1_jady4s2 wrote
HotD was definitely in the Nielsen charts, see here.
In the published Nielsen charts, RoP had 8082 million minutes watched, vs. 8091 for HotD. However, RoP was shorter than HotD (557 vs 618 minutes), so assuming every viewer watched the whole thing, that translates to 14.5 million vs. 13.1 million viewers.
LeeF1179 t1_jaddtap wrote
I hear what you are saying, but people talk about Yellowstone. It's a water cooler show. I was just curious why LOTR hasn't become a water cooler show.
eojen t1_jadiy6v wrote
Because there’s nothing really fun to talk about with it.
The show had one mystery it wanted you to try to guess at the whole season, but it wasn’t that compelling of a mystery to begin with. “Who is Sauron?” They hinged their whole first season on something no one went into the season really caring about. And instead of telling good stories throughout the season, they purposefully teased this reveal our and it just fell flat overall.
Plus there’s nothing really fun to speculate about next season. They took their sweet time with a lot of stuff that was boring but rushed the most exciting part- Sauron tricking the elves into making the rings.
GarlVinland4Astrea t1_jaeo1dk wrote
Does it matter what people on the internet talk about if the numbers are there? I remember over a decade of "Avatar is irrelevant and nobody cares or talks about" ad nauseam online. It was to the point where people tricked themselves into thinking the sequel would be a major dud. Yet today it's sequel is the third highest grossing film of all time.
I think people really need to start to understand that the majority of the world aren't the sub culture of people that like to discuss shows and television online and the mega hits pull from people that simply watch things they like a time or two and then move on and don't get in the media frenzy about it.
Honestly some of the shows and movies that get the most talked about on reddit, aren't really the most popular shows. Andor was literally known for being one of the worst performers of the Disney Star Wars lineup on Disney Plus for instance despite multiple posts a day about it. This sub always had a hard on for shows like Santa Clarita Diet despite that not being well known to mainstream people.
At the end of the day, it either gets eyeballs and retains them or it doesn't.
LeeF1179 t1_jaeog2m wrote
Oh, I was talking about real life people, not on Reddit. I am always discussing shows with friends and co-workers.
dolphin37 t1_jae22kw wrote
You’re comparing a high fantasy with a yeehaw America drama. Isn’t it obvious why one would be talked about around American water coolers and the other wouldn’t?
TapedeckNinja t1_jae2xkk wrote
GoT was a watercooler show, so no, not sure it's obvious.
dolphin37 t1_jae4cyc wrote
Because GoT had all kinds of drama, shocking moments, can you believe what happened type stuff. It’s also not high fantasy but w/e
This is LoTR we are talking about. The most well known fantasy of all time, that birthed the most commonly used tropes in fantasy. Black and white, good and evil fantasy. What is there to talk about? Oh did you see how cool the elves looked? The only conversation points were who was X character really because the show runners set up an awful mystery box format. It was actually the worst aspect of the show and the only people who gave a shit were people knees deep in the lore anyway, who don’t spend a lot of time around water coolers.
A couple of my friends and I are big LoTR fanboys and we had barely anything to talk about other than ‘is this show good?’. It’s an ok show but you watch it to be immersed not to make conversation
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Fryceratops t1_jadduy2 wrote
Do you have any sources to back your claims regarding its success?
Squirrel09 t1_jadvje7 wrote
Not OP but, Variety Article of top shows/movies 2022.
I think the asterisk that OP didn't include is the list they're referring to is the 2022 ORIGINAL List, not overall. But still...
Fryceratops t1_jadx9dl wrote
And the other bit they missed is HoD has more total viewers as the streaming list only tracks streams not total views between HBO and Max
Squirrel09 t1_jady62u wrote
While true, I find the comparison between HotD & RoP mute. At least for the current conversation. The success of one doesn't mean the other is unsuccessful. HotD having more views doesn't magically make RoP unprofitable for Amazon.
And the only measure of success Amazon & HBO really care about is the number of subscriptions each show bring. Which both claim are on the road to profitability.
Obviously, HotD won as the internets preferred show. But that doesn't inherently mean RoP is unsuccessful.
Saar13 t1_jadhbhh wrote
Take the weekly Nielsen listings for streaming and cable and add HBO and HBOMax together, and the numbers are smaller than RoP streaming alone.
JohnnyAK907 t1_jaeayss wrote
Top 15 Original Streaming list, and it was the at the very bottom at 15, behind The Boys at number 11. Look at the money Amazon spent on production and promotion, plus the number of built in audience because of the IP they were adapting, and then tell me again how failing out of Top Streaming completely and crawling into Top Original Streaming 4 spots behind another Amazon title with a fraction of the budget and promotion is somehow ANYTHING for them to brag about.
Yeah "real data" is important, but only when pair with context.
TapedeckNinja t1_jaew4tt wrote
The Boys also had 24 episodes available.
sprainedpinky t1_jaehtxo wrote
You’re knit picking data. You’re looking at the initial popularity of the show, and neglecting the sharp decline of viewers once people realized the show was terribly made.
So here’s the history, the show was released to a number of people excited about it. People watched and the many stopped watching. People have been giving terrible ratings on the show throughout the series and the last episode was better received and watched more.
So you’re completely missing the fact that the show had a huge drop off. Your grabbing onto the initial hype of the show and forgetting the downward spiral the show had after the initial release lol. Amazon had to turn off the ratings option for a long time because people were giving terrible ratings for the show when it first was launched.
TapedeckNinja t1_jaex0xn wrote
> neglecting the sharp decline of viewers once people realized the show was terribly made.
> People watched and the majority stopped watching
> So you’re completely missing the fact that the show had huge drop off
> Your grabbing onto the initial hype of the show and forgetting the downward spiral the show had after the initial release lol
Here are the Nielsen ratings by week. RoP released 2 episodes on 9/1/2022 and then one episode weekly through 10/14/2022.
Week ending 9/4: 1,253 million minutes
Week ending 9/11: 1,203 million minutes
Week ending 9/18: 988 million minutes
Week ending 9/25: 977 million minutes
Week ending 10/2: 966 million minutes
Week ending 10/9: 988 million minutes
Week ending 10/16: 1,137 million minutes
I don't see this "sharp decline" or "huge dropoff" and certainly no evidence that "the majority stopped watching".
sprainedpinky t1_jaf0qp3 wrote
Your stats show that the show dropped off after the first two episodes were released by 25%, and sustained that drop until the end of the season (exactly like I said).
Amazon had to literally turn off their rating system because they were worried about the tanking ratings viewers were giving it. They invested a ridiculous amount of money and viewers were giving them bad ratings 😂
https://variety.com/vip/amazons-silence-on-the-rings-of-power-audience-size-is-deafening-1235422462/
This article says what both of us are saying. Yes, it was successful in some regards but it hard a tremendous drop off that never caught up to itself. The rating are also surrounded by asterisks because Amazon does not release its streaming data and they are hazy about their statistics.
‘Still, this pattern suggests “Rings’” audience shrank as the season went on, with little catch-up watching by new viewers taking place midseason. Even when viewing time rose again, it failed to reach the heights of the series' initial weeks of release. The steeper (around 20%) dropoff from its first two weeks also suggests many viewers who checked out the series early on didn’t continue watching it — not a great sign for its growth potential.’
ScaryTowner t1_jae0qa2 wrote
I feel like on the scale of "The Witcher" to "House of the Dragon," the public is lumping it more in the Witchening camp.
I don't think it's anywhere near that much of a lost cause, but I do think it'll have work twice as hard in season 2 to convince people otherwise.
Squirrel09 t1_jaehn86 wrote
According to Amazon 4th Quarter Results, It was viewed by 100m individuals with a watch time of 24 billion minutes.
How that relates to expectation or Subscriber growth they didn't go into.
theg2 t1_jae386k wrote
It's apparently their most watched show and is beating things like The Boys, The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, or Jack Ryan which all did decently well so I'd say it's doing pretty well.
AlbertoRossonero t1_jaehror wrote
Wasn’t the boys the most watched Amazon original last year? Maybe I’m misremembering the title of the article.
theg2 t1_jaelanc wrote
Reacher outpaced Boys season 2, they break it down by seasons, it might be different if looking at entire show lengths, obviously biased towards shows that have been on longer.
cactusmaac t1_jaekj7d wrote
I watched a couple of episodes right after seeing the LOTR extended editions. The gulf in writing and acting quality was huge. Reacher is the best show on Prime for me and it likely cost less than the costume budget for Rings Of Power.
Eaglethornsen t1_jaf4upy wrote
I feel like reddit is weird when it comes to shows. Reddit hivemind either hates a show or loves it. Sadly I feel like reddit disliked ring of powers more than liked it, so the only time you would hear about it on here is if it was something bad.
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