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krazy_kat_laddie t1_j9r4wzm wrote

Armin Tamzarian

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meowskywalker t1_j9rwuk7 wrote

I genuinely do not understand how anyone who enjoyed the first 8 seasons of the Simpsons could think that Armin Tanzanian is anything but hilarious.

And it’s barely a retcon. The only thing we knew about him before Principal and the Pauper that wasn’t true was his name. He’s still the principal that Bart has been screwing with for years, he’s still a Vietnam vet, he’s still strangely subservient to Agnes Skinner, he still a nerd who loves being a principal despite the fact he’s quite bad at it. And even his name stops being fake by the end of the episode, by court order.

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MrX16 t1_j9rngtd wrote

Honest answer, the 90's episode of the Simpson's where it recons Homer and Marie's story to not take place in high school anymore just to make uninspired 90's jokes.

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meowskywalker t1_j9tza6o wrote

The good news is the last season had a flashback to Marge’s high school musical about Y2K that took place before Homer and Marge officially “met” so they couldn’t possibly have been dating in the nineties and that episode has also been retconned.

The truth is neither of those were retcons. Marge and Homer met in high school in the 70s and they on and off dated in the 90s while Homer was in a grunge band (unrelated to the massive success he had as part of a barbershop quartet in the 80s) and also they’re 38 in 2023 and all of these things are somehow true at the same time.

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krazy_kat_laddie t1_j9u2m09 wrote

The retcon of the retcon has been retconned. Those responsible for the first retcon have been retconned.

-Dictated, not read by retcon

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Fryceratops t1_j9rjc5d wrote

Making Dexter a more normal person

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PAUMiklo t1_j9rmz0m wrote

Upload season 2. practically all of it, all but one character was changed to fit the new narrative.

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stringrandom t1_j9skzh6 wrote

I’m still hoping they were impacted more by COVID than just bad plotting and they’ll pull it out in season three.

But, I agree with you. Season 2 felt like the highlights, but it’s missing world building it needed to better bridge the seasons.

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PAUMiklo t1_j9uxad7 wrote

maybe but I wont know, have zero desire to go back and see.

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Doc_coletti t1_j9t2u4p wrote

Not television, though the effects were felt on television, but I still haven’t forgiven Joe Quesada for breaking up that marriage,

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meowskywalker t1_j9u060f wrote

I don’t think in-universe characters changing the past counts as a retcon. Was Flashpoint a retcon? When Marty wakes up to discover his parents are happy and successful (and I guess kept Lyon Estates a nice neighborhood somehow) is that a retcon?

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Doc_coletti t1_j9u1tmb wrote

Marty waking up to different parents is part of the narrative of the original story, so yea a retcon, but a retcon that was planned from the start, that was the point.

Flashpoint is totally a retcon, on a massive scale, just with in universe explanation.

Joe Quesada didn’t want Mj and Pete married, so he wrote an in universe explanation to explain why they weren’t, and were never married.

The original question from Op did not specify whether the retcons needed to be diegetic or non diegetic (which I believe is what you are talking about, without knowing the term).

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meowskywalker t1_j9u3kki wrote

But it’s not retroactive. It’s just active. They actively changed the continuity of the story. They didn’t say “Pete and MJ were never married and that’s always been true” they said “the devil ate their marriage and now it’s never happened.”

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thealthor t1_j9vqdht wrote

"Retcon is a shortened form of retroactive continuity, and refers to a literary device in which the form or content of a previously established narrative is changed."

That is the literary device they used. But they still changed a previously establish narrative, it is a retcon.

Not to mention that One New Day retconned Brand New Day on how it all worked because they bungled it up the first time. The writers wanted more freedom away from him being married plain and simple and they shoehorned that load we got to get there.

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Doc_coletti t1_j9u5a9n wrote

I think we are just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

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square3481 t1_j9xl698 wrote

Retconning Bobby Ewing's death and an entire season's worth of plot in Dallas.

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staedtler2018 t1_j9us8xn wrote

In The Sopranos, Christopher's dad (who is deceased) is a drug addict. We sort of imagine him to be a different version of Christopher.

In The Many Saints of Newark, this was retconned so that it's actually a fake rumor. He's just some guy who isn't very similar to Christopher at all. Kinda sucks.

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square3481 t1_j9xlb0c wrote

That would be pretty in-character for Livia to spread thar rumor, though.

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