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doctorMiami1337 t1_j9xzhag wrote

Seasons 1-4 of GoT for me are easily the best pieces of television i've watched, ever. Only thing that comes close would be Breaking Bad, i personally prefer the fantasy epic's over anything, which is why i loved GoT way more. That's just me though.

I used to rewatch every single season of GoT before a new one would drop, was doing this since season 3 or 4 i think. That's how much i loved it.

After seasons 7 and 8 and what they did to the show, a large part of my life was just gone. No interest in further rewatches, no interest in book re-reads, in my head GoT was a great piece of television which aired for 5 seasons and then just abruptly ended, no idea why HBO cancelled it!

( the reason why i included season 5 which wasn't as good as season 4 is beacuse of episode 8 "Hardhome", which is a straight 10/10 )

Also season 1 of HotD was fine to me, but nowhere close to season 1 of GoT. I'm interested to see what they can do with season 2, but season 1 was just, eh. I have 0 interest in rewatching it.

The characters and dialogue in HotD for now are just orders of magnitude worse than early GoT 's Tyrion, Tywin, Jamie, Ned, Bobby B, Littlefinger, Varys.... the list goes on and on.

Viserys and Daemon had a few solid moments, but that's about it. I rewatched GoT season 1 alongside the books so many times it's hard to keep track of, couldn't be bothered to even think about a HotD rewatch. I know i'm judging them by the insanely high bar of GoT, but it is a prequel

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31_SAVAGE_ t1_j9yitv8 wrote

man its just a tv show. and this type of commentary is so exaggerated and nostalgic.

yes the last few seasons were a drop in quality, no it wasnt the worst tragedy in human history and were still fairly entertaining.

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doctorMiami1337 t1_j9yj4wg wrote

> no it wasnt the worst tragedy in human history

Literally no one said this mate

> and were still fairly entertaining.

Dude, now you're just making me laugh. If that was entertaining to you then holy shit lol. GoT went from a 9-10/10 rated show to 2-3/10 at best.

GoT was a global and cultural phenomenom in it's prime, and you're surprised people are still sad it got butchered towards the end? Man please, complete nonsense of a comment

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31_SAVAGE_ t1_j9ykwgt wrote

> GoT went from a 9-10/10 rated show to 2-3/10 at best.

this is exactly what i'm talking about, this is a completely ridiculous opinion.

you still watched every episode. you were so engaged that you cant let it go until today, years after it's over. thats a fucking 2 out of 10? lmao. what rating is the other 95% of garbage pumped out by every studio constantly?

it was entertaining to you as well, you just cant admit it because of the narrative that arose.

if it wasnt, you would have stopped watching it.

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MissKhary t1_ja0f9gc wrote

Yeah, ASOIAF was my favorite series and I was so excited (and scared) when the show was announced. At the time I only knew one or two other people in real life that had actually read the books, and this show made my DAD read them. And he doesn't read fantasy. Anyways, I was scared they'd butcher the characters and turn them into caricatures. The show improved some characters (Oberyn and Davos were show favorites of mine and I did not care for them in the books) and made others worse (book Jon >>> show Jon, Mance Rayder) and some I feel were perfectly cast (Jaime, Cersei, Tywin, Tyrion, Jorah). Plus the show gave us that badass Mormont child leader. She's the best part of the last seasons.

Anyways, while the show had book source material it stayed great. And when it started "spoiling" the books for me my resentment and anger (at GRRM, whether that's fair or not) totally did contribute to my less charitable opinions on the storylines. I had wanted to read these, not see the dumbed down version with missing character arcs try to wrap it all up. And it was so underwhelming because the expectations were high AND I was bitter and predisposed to not be happy about it no matter how good it was. And it did end up being... not great. Maybe in book format we'd have had enough story added to make the ending work, but we didn't have that here. But there's no way objectively that it's 2/10. I'd say 6.5/7. But if our expectations were for 10/10, then 6 or 7 feels like a huge letdown. As big of a letdown as if a 6-7/10 average show had a 2-3/10 finale.

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doctorMiami1337 t1_j9yla9f wrote

? Are you actually serious?

Yeah i was totally gonna not watch the last season of a show i've been watching/following/reading books about for years... ?

I have no idea if you're actually serious or just a troll, genuinely no idea.

Season 7 was bad and riddled with mistakes, ofcourse everyone also watched season 8 just to watch the train derail and burn completely.

Bro what are your comments genuinely?

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31_SAVAGE_ t1_j9ym6z5 wrote

nah i was just joking. the show was complete unwatchable garbage and a 1/10, you're right. off you go.

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doctorMiami1337 t1_j9yme3h wrote

I've heard many opinions on the internet but enjoying season 8 of Game of Thrones is genuinely next level wild. More plotholes in season 7 and 8 than there are grains of sand on earth lmao

W/e man, i'm glad atleast you enjoyed it

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ImNotADick t1_j9yow6w wrote

I’ll hop in here to back him up. I enjoyed the last two seasons of GOT as well. They are a clear decline from the prior seasons but still entertaining.

There is just nothing on tv that is made on that scale. I think the biggest thing that stopped people from enjoying it was their own expectations. If you go into it focusing solely on the negatives and “plot holes” of course you’re not going to enjoy it. But it is possible to just appreciate it for what it is.

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doctorMiami1337 t1_j9yr3lr wrote

I mean it's widely regarded as the worst ending to a cultural phenomenon TV show with some of the worst glaring plotholes and rushed endings on TV ever, D&D themselves admitted they rushed the ending and declined HBO's proposals for more seasons/episodes.

If you guys actually enjoyed that trainwreck, then all the power to you, atleast someone gained some joy out of it.

Also this whole sentiment of "focusing on plot holes" is weird as hell. How in the actual hell do you not focus on extremely obvious plot holes which literally ruin not only the show but the previous 6 seasons aswell? There is no getting past that.

The fact that there's people actually defending Dan and Dave's "well she just kinda forgot" plotlines of season 8 is absolutely blowing my mind right now, genuinely the worst piece of television i've seen ever, i'm not trying to hate or be offensive but holy shit i'm actually baffled. Interesting conversation for sure.

There are literal 5 hour videos explaining and detailing every single gigantic plot hole and rushed production of season 7 and 8, but w/e.

The discussion is over, the show is ended, who cares amirite

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doctorMiami1337 t1_j9yzima wrote

Who am i denying which opinion? The last season was objectively hot garbage according to 99% of critics/reviewers/fans/whoever.

Season 7 was bearable kind of but still riddled with horrible plot holes.

How is saying this being obnoxious? And it's not the comparison that makes them shitty, it's the plot holes

The fact that there's people defending one of the worst TV productions in years if not ever on a sub called /r/television is hilarious though lmfao, you guys absolutely deserved D&D.

Saying seasons 7 and 8 "weren't that bad" and were still "fairly entertaining" as the guy i replied to orginially is complete revisionism nonsense

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TimelsChild t1_j9y1189 wrote

I’d say the wire beats both breaking bad and GoT

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foomits t1_j9y3rmj wrote

it's a fun debate. I think the wire is a better show, but i enjoyed breaking bad more.

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TimelsChild t1_j9y3y0c wrote

I completely understand that. I think the wire is a heavier show to swallow. Some scenes are fucking brutal. I think breaking bad is a much more fun show and easier to watch. Idk if that makes sense

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Boss452 OP t1_j9y3egv wrote

Good writeup. Yeah those 4 seasons were supreme. Even when met with competition like Breaking Bad or Sopranos, what wins the case for GOT is how many levels above it was compared to others in ambition and scope. Basically it was much easier to mess up Thrones than something like Mad Men or BB. There are just so many parts in motion and a great skill was required to make it all coherent and thrilling.

> After seasons 7 and 8 and what they did to the show, a large part of my life was just gone.

Same. I dunno how many hours I have sunk in watching, reading, discussing, arguing over Thrones.

> the reason why i included season 5 which wasn't as good as season 4 is beacuse of episode 8 "Hardhome", which is a straight 10/10 )

Hardhome is magnificent. I always get chills during the last 20 minutes or so. Such fine piece of filmmaking.

HOTD was above average. The story isn't exciting and neither are the characters too compelling. But visually it is dazzling.

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huthutmike39 t1_j9yvrs4 wrote

The Sopranos is in its own orbit. Nothing like that was made before, and in some ways, since.

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cbbuntz t1_ja05jd1 wrote

You can't compare the Sopranos and GoT. They're probably my two favorite TV shows, but it's like they're not even playing the same game.

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Boss452 OP t1_ja8eye7 wrote

Agreed. GOT is playing in a whole different league. Much harder imho.

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SpreadYourAss t1_j9yry53 wrote

>Seasons 1-4 of GoT for me are easily the best pieces of television i've watched, ever. Only thing that comes close would be Breaking Bad

That was the time man, when GoT fans and BB fans used to argue about being the GOAT. As a fan of both, I could barely pick one myself and was just glad to be watching such peak television.

But once again, it was just another proof of why BB having such a perfect ending is a such a milestone in television. It's just extremely rare to have shows that consistently good throughout and also nail the ending.

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doctorMiami1337 t1_j9ys6uh wrote

Yea i think its safe to say BB wins in the consistency and ending department 💀💀💀

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tecphile t1_ja0e7ie wrote

I don’t see why the show should affect your enjoyment of the books. They are such vastly different stories, in terms of themes explored, that I just separate the two.

Plus, the ending of the show had massive plot points straight up invented by D&D.

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Brainiac7777777 t1_j9z366e wrote

I agree, the Sopranos is so overrated Game of Thrones was better

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