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erics75218 t1_j4tnte1 wrote

As if some teacher is so above the law smart. This feels of "You'll never have a calculator with you all the time!". Yeah well we will, and we do so.....

"Write me an essay to help me pass these useless classes" is a great advancement IMO!

Teachers are just scared they have no fucking idea what the hell this even is so they want to go book burning....out of fear, always the same. The Olds get scared, start scrambling to hold onto the past.

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ZeeMastermind t1_j4ttkk4 wrote

There is absolutely value in knowing basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. You'll have a calculator with you, but there are times when knowing these things is convenient.

Buying groceries? Knowing basic addition will let you know if you are above or below budget before you get to checkout. I suppose you could pull out a calculator to keep track of this while you shop, but that sounds about as convenient as just getting rid of stuff putting you above budget once you get to the checkout.

Need to do some basic carpentry or home upgrades? Understanding basic geometry will help you make the most out of a single sheet of plywood, so that you're left with less "fiddly bits" and therefore don't have to spend money on a second sheet of plywood. Basic geometry relies on an understanding of algebra and early math concepts. If you do not grasp things like addition or multiplication, it's difficult to apply geometry to group your cuts to maximize use of your plywood.

Need to count things that are organized? Multiplication will help you count things quicker.

Not to mention, even when you get to higher-level math and can use a calculator in class, you'll need to have a solid grasp of these concepts. It's possible that you may not go into a profession that doesn't rely on anything past basic algebra, but there are many occasions in your life that you may need to figure out these things out and it could be inconvenient to type "5 * 7" into a calculator every time you're trying to figure something out.

Why is this an argument? Are you old enough to be on reddit?

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erics75218 t1_j4tvmiz wrote

Not every essay matters that's all. I assume with or without AI we will still have English class. Because as you correctly point out, fundamentals are key.

But writing an essay on Tom Sawyer may be a thing of the past.

Maybe writing can be better taught via other creative expressions or some such.

Not everyone will be an author. And anyways, that kind of comprehension has always been at the mercy of the home more than the school.

This is a paper tiger that's all I'm saying. Non AI teachings didn't educate you on how to not end your responses with asshole comments. So I'm not sure it matters.

Cheers.

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ChuzCuenca t1_j4u0q5a wrote

Sit down Grandpa. This is just a new tool at our disposition. Justa as how education has evolved because we now have the internet education/educators need to upgrade their game accordingly.

This will be the "google" of some generation they would look at how we use internet now and laugh. And let's not be don't cynical here, people won't use this for basic math right now I'm using it for advanced math and learning phyton, is a life saving.

Derivatives, integrals, double derivatives and more being as easy as doing divisions in the calculator means you can spend more time being sure your education is not meaningless.

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eras t1_j4uiz5p wrote

I wonder though has education evolved so that people nowadays are better in math with help of calculators than before?

I believe it's the opposite. Maybe not due to calculators, but I seriously doubt they have helped to make things better.

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EclecticKant t1_j4umzjw wrote

Every tool that automates a task reduces the skill that students learn. Calculators reduced the average ability of a student to do algebraic calculations without support, this "sacrifice" has been considered worth it because the time saved from not practicing calculations has been used to understand more math concepts. But is the ability to write essays, to answer complex/abstract questions, to understand and summarize informations and to draw conclusions from those informations something we are willing to sacrifice? And if so, what abilities are we giving instead to our students?

There is also the option to not use ai tools at school/university, just like programmable calculators have not substituted scientific calculators

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