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PRSHZ t1_j6ja3xu wrote

Reply to comment by steviaplath153 in OpenAI executives say releasing ChatGPT for public use was a last resort after running into multiple hurdles — and they're shocked by its popularity by steviaplath153

To be fair, we are paying nothing to use it. We are enjoying every possible benefit this thing can offer with minimal effort on our part. As far as I’m concerned, they can do whatever the heck they want with it. I still don’t understand why people talk as if they own it themselves just because they were allowed access to it.

That’s almost as if you let a kid borrow your toy car and when it’s time to take it back, they get all mad

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blackkettle t1_j6me60g wrote

I think a more accurate analogy would you dig around the kids legos, build a cool car from it, share it with him, get feedback, take it back and then try to rent it to him for all future play…

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pronyo001 t1_j6mhhgq wrote

Yeah no. People get profit with time saved or getting ideas. So you say it should be free forever? I don't get this point.

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blackkettle t1_j6mk578 wrote

I work in R&D in this space. There is a cost associated with training and running inference on these things. With data curation, and with the human resource funding for research. But the latter is also funded in large part by the public.

The data itself is entirely produced by the collective output of humanity. In the next 5-10 years these tools will begin to eliminate white collar professional jobs - it will happen. And as it does, dealing with that at a societal level will become a matter of great import.

Recognizing our collective contribution and actively directing these achievements towards a better shared future - sharing the benefits - will either make or break us IMO.

My 6 year old son will come of age in a radically different world. And I believe that we the creators have a responsibility to ensure that that world promotes better equity for all.

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johnny_kobra t1_j6mkzzn wrote

Wouldn't the issues caused to the society by removing white collar jobs be a nifty task for the AI to solve? And if said AI is trained by collective output of humanity, wouldn't we be assisting it in coming up with solution?

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TheFarmerDude t1_j6mpum8 wrote

Help me understand, if the white collar job is gone, that's gonna decimate the middle class. Who's gonna buy stuff? Are these companies optimising themselves out of the business?

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Lyftaker t1_j6ouj9v wrote

They are playing hot potato with a hand grenade. They know it's going to go off but none of them is planning to be the one holding it when it does. Also this wouldn't be the first time in history that a few people have tried to conquer the world. We would work and they would rule.

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FobbingMobius t1_j6mn6o5 wrote

Ah, the noblesse oblige argument.

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blackkettle t1_j6mnmbz wrote

I’ll be surprised if the status quo holds once doctors and lawyers start losing their jobs. I think that will be the tipping point. That group still holds some wealth and political power.

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Rez-User t1_j6k7snm wrote

Do you not have to give them your Email and Phone Number to access it? I went to make an account and after giving them my email to verify, I now have to give them my phone number to verify. I just closed it, but now they have my email and countless others.

Edit: They sell your personal information to the highest bidders. You paid with your personal information.

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pzerr t1_j6kakug wrote

And?

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Rez-User t1_j6nfo8i wrote

Emails and Phone Numbers get sold. Do I really have to explain that to people? Our personal information has a monetary value. You pay to play.

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pzerr t1_j6nkolu wrote

And? Point being do you think they will let you use that for free?

Possibly they should have a paid service where your info is not sold but you willing to pay?

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Rez-User t1_j6nmnuf wrote

My comment was replying to someone saying they use it for free. So yes, people think they are using it for free. Go on about your day.

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steviaplath153 OP t1_j6jbrgw wrote

What benefit?

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jlaw54 t1_j6jwdjn wrote

Are you taking the position that ChatGPT isn’t useful?

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-bickd- t1_j6lk290 wrote

Idk if the people using it is just screwing around/ beta testing it rather than devising actual benefits from it yet, but I'm not too sure about either argument. From my testing, it's rather unreliable, much like a narcissistic teacher in middle school who are very confident in what they are saying.

It's a decent novelty project but i am interested to know what benefit you have personally derived from using chatgpt. Please be specific so I can learn to use this tool better too.

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jlaw54 t1_j6lx68j wrote

I’ll offer some specifics, but before I do, I want to say the potential use and viability of ChatGPT is really only limited by the openness of your approach to it and your creativity.

  • You can bounce x, y or z idea off it and just flesh out stuff around it. That makes it great for brainstorming or just working stuff out

  • It can code for you and even help non-coders be able to code. From adding a multi-colored rotating 3d prism to a landing page to a web-scrapper to pull lead data for outbound marketing or sales (and so much more). Generate code for APIs

  • Error check code

  • Summarize articles or even meeting transcripts into succinct and quick bullet points

  • It will break down complex concepts and / or high-level technical information into super usable blocks

  • I tend to use too many words to write emails and other junk and I can have it tighten it up in two seconds. Boom. Done

  • Paragraphs to bullet points or vice versa

  • Change complexity level of script. Or change the tone or temperature, etc….

  • Change writing from third or first person or vice versa

  • Compose simple to super complex Excel formulas. Create VBA in Excel and work on pivot tables. Create macros

  • Create complex workflows

  • Help write contracts

  • Generate recipes based on stuff you have in your house or recipes based on what you want

  • You can give it a bunch of data and it will give you a slide deck and layout and even suggest images. A guy even wrote some Python code to make this even easier

  • It can translate languages, including coding language from one to another

  • Essentially can act as a personal tutor for a number of subjects and classes

  • Create a meal plan and generate accompanying recipe lists

  • Can generate prompts for all kinds of art

  • Can help research for you for a novel or non-fiction or paper or essay or whatever

  • You can give it a detailed outline of things important to you and such and then ask it to generate names for a business or YouTube channel or whatever. Or generate a title for something, etc…

  • It can recommend books or readings based on niche interests

  • Fix resume or write a sector specific cover letter

  • Can help with marketing efforts for business. Help wrote social media posts or blogs or whatever. Yeah, edit and know what you are putting out, but it absolutely saves time

  • Format and check or generate copy for websites or landing pages

  • Guest speaker or panel Questions and Answers

  • Help with anxiety or even loneliness

  • Discussing fitness and health

  • Could prepare you for an interview

  • Gift ideas after a detailed description of a person

  • Keyword research for SEO or other applications. Other SEO optimization

  • Rephrasing

  • Generate FAQs based on content

  • Write product descriptions

  • Write job descriptions and job offers

  • Can help you learn a language

  • Could generate your own website without knowing anything about web design - would take time and patience, but it’s super doable

  • Interesting for philosophy

  • Could give it some inputs and then ask it to generate ideas on how to convey something in your head visually for content on YouTube or whatever. This is a massive help if you approach it right

And a lot more. This is nowhere near exhaustive.

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-bickd- t1_j6m0t8n wrote

Perfect, thanks for these ideas. I'll check out these use cases.

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gurenkagurenda t1_j6mlj0x wrote

I have two others for you which have become my primary use cases:

  • I have a word on the tip of my tongue, and I don’t know a synonym, but I can describe the meaning and connotations

  • I have a hunch about a technical subject but it’s hard to google the details based on my knowledge, e.g. “can I split a high current load between two MOSFETs in parallel?” I don’t trust ChatGPT’s answer at face value, but it’ll give me stuff to look up.

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FobbingMobius t1_j6mo3rq wrote

Can you recommend a resource to learn how to write queries/prompts more effectively?

Is there a limit to the length of a query?

I played with it a little bit and the output was all very similar to the SEO-maximized articles you'd see from a content farm.

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KimchiMaker t1_j6lowmr wrote

It’s good for brainstorming creative ideas. Titles, characters, descriptions, plot ideas etc.

As a fiction writer I use it a lot, but not for finished prose.

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kamekaze1024 t1_j6lpwa3 wrote

For software engineering it’s good at creating simple code or debugging code. It suckssss at non-simple coding. But basic stuff like “write Python code that encrypts a message using RSA” is really cool

People say it’s going to take over jobs when it can still be unreliable is baffling to me. I typed “87” out of boredom and it said it was a prime number that could be added by two other prime numbers which are 83 and 3. Very fucking wrong

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TheeBiscuitMan t1_j6jdldr wrote

I cleaned up a lot of bullet points and sentences in my resume. Was very helpful.

Not perfect but keeping my style as a base and using its interpretation of my work for possible improvements has my resume looking much cleaner.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6l063o wrote

So it helped you cheat. I don’t think that’s as useful to you as you currently believe it is. :(

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overthinkingthis t1_j6l0v3d wrote

How is that cheating? Paying someone to help you write your resume is super common. Some recruiters will do it as part of their work. What law says you have to write your own resume?

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6l2au8 wrote

I didn’t say there was a law. You’re cheating yourself. Because it’s a text generator, not a recruiter.

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TheeBiscuitMan t1_j6l3uwl wrote

YoU'rE cHeAtInG yOuRseLf

Seriously I bet all those investment bankers feel really guilty for cheating themselves with all the algorithm trading happening.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6l53ta wrote

I don’t think this investment banking algorithms were a good idea either.

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toaster-riot t1_j6lbq66 wrote

How do you feel about automobiles vs horses?

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6lduio wrote

Do you think banking algorithms are a practical innovation for real people the way the combustion engine was? Then why is everyone so poor? I’m not technophobic.

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toaster-riot t1_j6p3tc9 wrote

No I'm with ya there dude, screw our financial system. Everyone is poor because capitalism is a flawed system that's exploited by the ultra rich. Corporations post record profits while minimum wage stagnates and my prescription medication costs skyrocket.

Chatgpt helps me with things I am not good at and have no interest in learning. It doesn't mean I'm cheating if I use it to write a cover letter, in the same way that I'm not cheating if I print my letter with a printer instead of handwriting it.

Will the bourgeoise try to use it to further exploit the poor? Of course they will! They'll continue to divide labor and consolidate wealth the same way they have historically with all other technology. That doesn't make the technology bad.

The gap between the rich and the poor will continue to grow as technology opens the door to further consolidation of wealth. But, there's no way I'm writing cover letters if I don't have to. So at least I have that going for me.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6p66gf wrote

There were already templates available. This is a parlor trick and nobody has gained anything.

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Prick_in_a_Cactus t1_j6lqakz wrote

What? That's probably one of the stupidest things I have read today.

By that logic, recruiters are cheating too, they toss your resume into a machine that automatically vets you. They likely won't even see your resume at all.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6lqhll wrote

Yeah I think all of this is bad and a bad system and wasting our time and not serving us. Machines talking to machines about nothing relevant to us in languages we aren’t even going to be learning. People learning to make a good resume is a good thing because of what you learn while accomplishing it. How does any of this help the cause of society?

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Prick_in_a_Cactus t1_j6ls9x5 wrote

It helps society by making larger systems move faster. It's not feasible to sift though a million applicants manually anymore. Many jobs and systems are too complex or interwoven for that sort of thing. As the human population increases, and people who qualify also increases, that is only going to get worse.

I do wish there was another way. But realistically there isn't.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6lsrcz wrote

Of course there is. Do you think we’re currently doing the best hiring process in history? Are you that naive? At that scale, what does it all matter? And why must we hire at that scale?

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Prick_in_a_Cactus t1_j6lsv3v wrote

If you are so smart, go invent it then! If whatever method you cooked up actually works, then you'd get plenty of income.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6lsxw1 wrote

Oh yes, we definitely live a society where the best system wins and all the right people get rewarded. Enjoy yourself!

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Prick_in_a_Cactus t1_j6ltqwe wrote

Well, you haven't even tried to show what you believe is the "best" system, so I have no reason to trust or believe you.

The definition of "best hiring process" is nebulous too and differs from person to person. I don't know what you think is best.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6lw3h0 wrote

I have done a bit of hiring in my time and I don’t think there’s a huge difference between randomly selecting a resume, making a judgment and having a short phone call, vs. any of this. It’s a fake piece of digital paper. They all say the same things. Half of it is fan fiction and the half that isn’t usually reads like it. Increasingly so, with “tools” like this.

So yeah, a better system is to just meet a few people and hire someone who can speak extemporaneously on related topics and who you enjoy interacting with. What about the hiring process could an applicant not fake? At that point, why even do all this?

It’s a waste of time and resources. We do not need a machine to write words for us. They’re inherently less valuable than the words we select ourselves.

You seem to be taking this personally.

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Prick_in_a_Cactus t1_j6m7yzr wrote

Yep, everything you said is true. There's so much bullshit formality or social rules I'm too stupid (or the anxiety gets the better of me) to know. It's just better to use ChatGPT. I can't even write a single sentence sometimes. Not to forget a lot of bullshit requirements. It's always been a bullshit fake digital paper. We, the worker, finally have a tool that allows us to skip the time consuming bullshit end of the stick.

Also yes I am taking this personally... because I am in the middle of the job hunting process. So yea, I'd say figuring out how to get past the bullshit is something that hits quite close to home.

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ryanhoulihan t1_j6m8bk7 wrote

Great, that’ll work for you this week. Then everyone’s will be exactly the same and you’ll be back where you started. You, the worker, did not win any ground today.

I’m unemployed as well. I’m sorry there’s no magic trick.

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Prick_in_a_Cactus t1_j6m9ff6 wrote

Well yeah, I don't expect there to be a magic trick or anything. But ChatGPT helps smooth the rough and sharp edges of my stuff. Whether it be the resume, cover letter or even my profile on relevant recruitment websites.

Fuckin sucks. Good luck to you, hope you find a job that works for you.

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Significant_Sign t1_j6lbwdl wrote

This is one of the stupider things I've seen on Reddit, and I peruse r/all on a weekly basis.

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PRSHZ t1_j6jez32 wrote

Helped me learn important key points when it came to JavaScript and other coding languages I’m currently studying. Additionally it helped me debug and fix a few projects I’ve been working on, this program can help people in just about any topic imaginable, from health and fitness tailored to a users input factors, to science and just about everything in between. It’s almost as if you’re talking to an interactive global encyclopedia with tutoring as a bonus. Perhaps you haven’t tried it or perhaps you haven’t fully explored it.

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Actually_JesusChrist t1_j6jwz37 wrote

Too bad much of the science and especially math is currently garbage. It answers simple questions incorrectly and contradicts itself even if you point out it’s error. For other things like coding it’s quite good at least in my limited understanding of coding.

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Naive-Background7461 t1_j6k7nmk wrote

People are acting like it's the damned holy grail...

Won't believe actual scientists because "news source is x,y,z" but this thing KNOWN for being able to access ALL the web, even false information, spitting it as fact... "hey were saved" 😩🙄

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TheAnonFeels t1_j6kbkw5 wrote

They managed to get this thing to look up stuff on the internet?

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Naive-Background7461 t1_j6kckl3 wrote

Yes. Deepmind is building the database their AI uses based on peer reviewed scientific information.

Google's AI, OPENAI, Is named such bc it uses an open interface with all of the internet as it's guide.

Deepmind wrote an article on it that I'm sure Google suppressed so people wouldn't realize it can be wrong. 😅

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TheAnonFeels t1_j6keyfl wrote

So if i type "Who won the 2022 midterm election in the USA" it would be able to tell me?

edit: OpenAI

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Naive-Background7461 t1_j6kfha1 wrote

I haven't played with it 🤷‍♀️ but I've seen plenty of people on reddit say it's gotten worded math problems wrong 😅

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TheAnonFeels t1_j6kg22f wrote

I see, so was trying to wall you into a corner and then inform you that ChatGPT does not have internet access for information.. It was trained on information in 2021 and before. Everything it has now is from memory. As with all AI models.

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Naive-Background7461 t1_j6khrld wrote

Okay so deepminds creator is wrong is what you're saying??

Because I've seen people saying the exact opposite 🤷‍♀️ I think there's a lot of people who dont know wtf they're talking about 😅 but almost everyone in IT has pointed this out and anyone who doesn't really know, is saying shit like they do 🤣

So basic interwebz...

P.s. if memory was all it had (which is what the internet basically is) then it wouldn't have the ability to learn. Which is what separates AI from...the cloud.

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TheAnonFeels t1_j6kic7f wrote

I was talking about OpenAI's GPT AI (ChatGPT, GPT3.5 / GPT4)

If that's not what the response is about then i guess it doesn't apply to what I said.. But OpenAI's GPT isn't internet connected, it learned by being fed all the information in a huge training round. After that the model is solidified and open for queries.

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