Should do Staten Island... More stupid crimes per capita over there

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950,000 cameras in London bitches. No, really.

Ain’t nothin compared to other major cities around the world

At least half of them are broken

And you know despite it being dystopian as fuck, it’s not gonna stop a single real criminal that I care about.

From my experience, the issue isn't that there's no evidence (while that is a case a lot of the time), even when there is getting them to actually follow up or investigate is the wall you hit. Where I am, you can have camera footage, receipts, hell even their wallet they dropped, that doesn't mean they'll look into it or follow through. Heavily depends on who you are, and who the criminal(s) is.

Just seems like this will just exacerbate the already massive backlog issues they have, while also costing a ton more to operate the cameras and store the data.

Sales of Groucho glasses are gonna skyrocket.

the issue is they will use it to misuse it to further their own ends, as in the article when they harassed a blm protester.

Wear your mask. No face no case.

Tyrna be like China

Manhattan is 27x smaller than London though because London is a massive sprawling mess compared to Manhattan which is just the city centre, so to the same scale it would have 400,000, but then you're comparing the density of Manhattan to the whole of London which isn't exactly a fair comparison either.

Misread the title and forgot to include the other two areas, total area makes London 4.4x larger, so 66,000 cameras to London's 950,000 comparative to area. So yeah, pretty fucked.

Another interesting fact I picked up while I was googling though was that there are 15,000 cameras just in the London underground.

Didnt realize Brooklyn and the Bronx were in Manhattan… /s

The Bronx is gigantic and Brooklyn isnt exactly small either

Ah, oops misread the title.

Apples and Oranges.

You've compared 15,000 NYPD cameras with the combined total of every man and his dog, every shop, every home owner camera in London.

The web page you got the 950,000 from says the Metropolitan Police only has 3,000 CCTV cameras which is a fairer comparison to NYPD.

Cite: https://clarionuk.com/resources/how-many-cctv-cameras-are-in-london/#:~:text=Research%20by%20Clarion%20Security%20Systems,(2022)

remember that guy that shot up the commuter train? ~6'4 250lb bald black guy. he walked the streets for 3 or 4 days. a tipster turned him in. it's all bs.

And the technology is FAR from infallible still. People have been sent to prison on bogus convictions based on faulty facial recognition evidence. It doesn't work reliably yet law enforcement keep doubling down and utilizing it.

AMERICAN FASCISM

Your comment makes it sound like Brooklyn is smaller than The Bronx. The Bronx is 42.47 square miles and Brooklyn is 69.5 square miles. For reference, Manhattan is 22.82.

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Complete bullshit. We live in a country that’s somehow increasingly authoritarian, but somehow violent crime is on the rise more than ever. none of this bullshit works.

I work in a facial recognition area and this is correct, the system is far from awesome, sunglasses and a hat is enough to foil it.

These are everywhere now. They even got speed cameras on every damn street.

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That’s why I only murder and steal in Queens and Staten Island. Much safer for me. Sometimes I treat myself and go to NJ or Long Island.

BTW…..to be clear I’m FUCKING JOKING.

This just in: cameras are racist!

Yeah Morgan freeman said it’s too much power and I believe him.

Violent crime is quite significantly down, despite the spike in 2020. That's just the lie they feed you to justify their actions (even if you know it doesn't help).

I couldn't understand during lock downs how criminals were caught on camera doing crimes without a face mask and glasses. Like the one time where a mask is ok to wear without seeming suspicious and you go and do crime without covering up in broad daylight was surreal to me

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I am in the nyc area. Most of those cameras have horrible picture and they never get the face. Unless they don't show the good cameras on tv.

I doubt they even have the maintenance staff to keep those cameras in operation. Many will probably be broken for weeks or even months before they get around to it.

> 950,000 cameras in London bitches. No, really.

Sounds like a society which really doesn't trust itself.

Even without that, cameras don't deter criminals and crimes from being committed. They don't seem to care that cameras are catching their every brazen move.

Yeah…whatever you say. I wish it was that way and that’s what the news been saying. But that’s definitely not what most of us are seeing with our own eyes. Is it REALLY going down or is it just being prosecuted and reported significantly less?

Bro, have you ever tried committing a crime in a mask? You can barely breathe and it’s so uncomfortable! /s

Had a tire slashed in Brooklyn last year. Got a photo of the guy standing next to my car holding a knife. The cops came and said unless I had a video of him putting the knife in the tire there is nothing they can do. They didn't even bother writing a report.

There should be a law where if anybody has imagery of me I should be able to pull that. I should have access to any images of myself on any surveillance, public or private.

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Nope. But when they fuck up they use it to track Jason Bourne for days

Poor Staten

I bet they’re really going to concentrate on Williamsburg.

I heard the cameras on Jersey Street don’t deter anything

Let me guess, you also think there's a migrant caravan at the border that magically wasn't there when trump was in office?

yeah America the land of the free where democracy is paramount ....

Because it's just cops watching other cops

They "can use them" but they don't. They're only used for traffic tickets. No money in catching petty criminals.

I'd advise you look into the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. The media talking about it causes you to notice what's there more, rather than there actually being an increase in crime.

Thank god I don’t plan on visiting the beautiful city of New York anytime soon. Though I wish I did in the past

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Bah, like 6 of them work. Tops

“Welcome my son, welcome to the machine, Where have you been? It’s alright, we know where you’ve been”

There's a square in Spain named after a wwi war hero before he later went on to write a book. George Orwell Square.

It's now absolutely covered in cameras.

No camera in the mayor's office right? That might help.

Like Person of Interest but 1000 times worse.

It works great, they just lie about what it's for.

That’s not what I believe at all. Hell no. I hope nobody thinks I’m a trumpie. I’m just very skeptical of crime statistics because what I see around me is the absolute opposite and it’s rising, but granted, I live in a historically pretty bad area.

And I do think that some people (probably a increasing number) just don’t report things that happened to them (especially sex crimes)

But either way if it’s going up or down we can still agree that whatever this is, it’s bullshit.

gave them the license plate of the car that totaled mine

'we don't have any way of verifying if that's true' was the nicest response I got before they started to more directly imply that I was trying to frame a random guy or commit fraud of some kind.

they couldn't update or add information to the police report and told me 'the detectives' would call me about the case - surprise, they did not.

Totally cool, good job NY. We all know the cops there are AWESOME!!

At least they have low crime rates with the tradeoff. Here we just have tax dollars being spent and NYPD doing jack shit

I did check the crime rate index and my neighborhood is doing significantly shittier recently (as a exception), so maybe that explains my perspective. That doesn’t speak for the whole nation though so you’re right on that.

Increasing or decreasing crime, we can still agree that this is scary, a waste of taxpayer money, and nothing good will come out of this sort of technology becoming more commonplace.

why you gettin downvoted?

he actually called the tip line and turned himself in. he didn't go anywhere and didn't hide.

NYPD commissioner says, "We were able to shrink his world quickly. There was nowhere left for him to run"

2% if the time they'll use it for a crime, 98% to tell your employer you weren't really sick but shopping.

After everything you saw from police departments in 2020, do you really think it's that infeasible that they're being more careless about recording proper crime numbers?

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Its not build for you. Crimes against the rich are declining

Agreed but I should also be able to request that data be deleted

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Exactly, that too

slash a cops tire and theyll 'fear for their lives'

you say misuse they say use. This is why they built it

It’s the tradeoff between wide field of view, image quality, and price.

You want the camera to cover a wide area (otherwise you need a lot more cameras, which is expensive). That means they’re usually low focal length or fisheye (so you can’t get a clear image of small details like facial features)

The solution to that problem would be cameras that can swivel and zoom, which is too expensive.

Three options, and you can pick two. Usually they pick wide coverage and not expensive.

Cameras still have trouble even seeing people with darker skin tones properly, and we're using them to "facially recognize" people for legal purposes. Just a bunch of lazy fucks who don't wanna do their own jobs over relying on technology is all it is if you ask me.

Sounds like China.

when you start breaking the other half?

That’s why I always stare at the ground. That, and I don’t want to deal with society.

But can they see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon toast crunch?

This should be illegal. Full up

Yes, imagine your life being ruined over a mistake. Even financial compensation often cannot remedy that.

This is scary stuff.

Just keep wearing a face mask and/or wear IR Led glasses. Camera's can't see your face if you wear IR Led glasses.

Bronx? I thought it was "the Bronx". Are they going the way of "The" Sudan and "The" Ukraine?

You are being watched.

Except when there is an actual crime, then you get the grainy, blurry recording.

I believe many of them do not work, I lived in London ages ago though, so maybe they are better.

The problem is the media needs to stop focusing on facial recognition . Facial recognition is only one part of the system. All the top systems track your entire body from your clothing color to gender to everything in between. They don’t need to be zoomed in close to do this , Couple this with heavy analytics and advanced search and playback functionality. I always chuckle when everyone goes on about the facial recognition part of these systems it the least scary part of them.

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Well they can't be too successful at fighting crime. After all, if the NYPD managed to find a recipe which eliminated crime, it would be an existential threat to them. Policing as an institution need crime to survive.

As for these cameras, the huge "NYPD" branding on the cameras says a lot to me. It's not NYC branding, it's not NY state branding, it's not no branding at all, it's police branding. The branding is for the purpose of dominance. This system is more about dominance than it is anything else.

Anyone remember the pipe bomb planted in a trash can in the west village? They backtracked that shit to some muslim extreemist in frickin New Jersey from like Tom's River or some shit. That's how far they can look into you

and this shit should 100% illegal

And in San Francisco, they’ve already approved robots with lethal force. Should play out well…

Shit is going to be looking like Robocop soon.

NYC is a very nice police state.

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Can’t confirm. Porch pirate just smiled into the camera the last time they stole my package

Oh, just like Beijing…

Wouldn't they want to over count to justify their jobs?

If there was even a sign that they would get proper oversight, maybe. And the average cop is not going to suddenly be on their best behavior. They're just going to be lazier, because you can't get in trouble if you don't get involved.

>You are being watched. The government has a secret system, a machine that spies on you every hour of every day.

POI was prophecy.

No greater lengths have been taken to ensure the shooting of the wrong guy.

No amount of money could compensate me for a single night in American prison.

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I thought we'd collectively agreed, as a species, to not do this? Ffs

> “This sprawling network of cameras can be used by police for invasive facial recognition and risk turning New York into an Orwellian surveillance city,” says Matt Mahmoudi, Artificial Intelligence & Human Rights Researcher at Amnesty International.

Weird that the article doesn't mention Domain Awareness. It's not at risk, it's already fully in it for years.

More news, they haven't been able to keep one unit up for more than an hour in Harlem.

Anyone who knows the NYPD understands that they’re too lazy too ensure these cameras actually worked and aren’t blocked by bird shit etc. I don’t trust the NYPD to ensure they even fill out their own paperwork unless it pertains to them lying about overtime. I sure as hell don’t trust them to ensure their camera network works.

And if one of the cops does something wrong(Epstein) the camera will not be operational.

well if the cops say so it must be true

Who’s prison would you prefer?

A small group of elites leading us into the abyss. No way the average New Yorker is voting to allow the city to track their movements 24/7

Saddly not even close to Londons cameras.

Well if YOU don’t care then it’s worthless

It's already looking like watchdogs but shitty.

George Orwell's 1984

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"Person of Interest" show.....

I want more cameras but on streets and roads! Seriously can we not waste money on facial recognition nonsense and instead just fine everybody speeding or going though red lights so those fines actually start doing things.

So as the very top of 1% begin to monitor the masses to a greater degree…who’s going to be monitoring them?

1984 wasn’t a warning. It was a prediction

dead or alive, you’re coming with me

Modern society doesn’t. That’s obvious now. We are heading towards a massive global conflict

Of course we are. Have a smart phone?

They’re watching, listening, following you and monitoring your internet and app usage.

… a system you asked for, to keep you safe. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. You've granted it the power to see everything, to index, order and …

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https://youtu.be/Fb-gOS3p44U

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Bwaaaaahhhhhh

Sounds like China to me...

i would have guessed the nypd would have far more cameras than 15000. if you had told me a million i'd have believed it.

Meanwhile the criminals in suits steal billions of dollars and evade taxes. In the off chance they are caught, they pay a small fine and sometimes end up making even more money by having to sell their assets.

Meanwhile us poors will be put in our place for stealing bread or shoes. The system is working as intended.

Here’s an idea. Maybe try addressing the material conditions of the people instead of gaslighting them or virtue signaling. If people can actually afford rent and access medical care without breaking the bank, or not spend their whole paycheck on bare essentials while corps raise prices willy nilly, maybe people won’t be desperate or give up hope. Just a thought.

But I guess corporate margins matter more than people’s lives.

What Person Of Interest episode is this from?

Go NYC !!! Nowhere to run to, baby ,,,nowhere to run, nowhere to hide

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And they still don’t prevent crime or help to prevent crime.

Clara's death in Watchdogs was absolutely shit. SHe deserved better.

/changemymind.

Justify their actions, justify encroaching on civil rights, justify outrage and to keep the political donations flowing. Nothing gets votes and money like fear, baby.

I was assured by popular media that the CSIs, who do the actual work instead of the detectives or police, can enhance a grainy photo to crystal clarity and determine a license plate # and a finger print even though the video was shot in 320p with high compresion.

America, where concern over "Democracy" is more about concern that the other team is going to win and take power than actually giving a flying fuck about democracy. Just remember, it's okay when we do it. For the greater good (the greater good).

/sorta sarcasm, sorta depressingly accurate take on the state of team-sports-Us-vs-Them bullshit.

And yet, the city is rife with unsolved crime THAT OCCURS RIGHT ON THE STREETS.

Nothing gets people to vote conservative like fear. You can't get progressive votes with fear politics.

Your life would still be in shambles. Heavy stigma and loss of rights after a felony conviction. Though I have read that these progressive countries are doing a good job of reforming the correctional systems, making them more humane.

Low crime rates is more of a byproduct of lack of reporting and general culture of the people. There are a ton of well-documented case of kidnapping, abuse, and other shady stuff going on. They just never make it big because no one wants to report about it and deal with what that entails.

Humans are going to be humans everywhere, doesn't matter if it's in China, US, or everywhere else. The only thing that really is ever effective against crime is better economic situation, and even that wouldn't get rid of crimes entirely on its own. It's a complicated subject that's rarely ever one-dimensional like "China have low crime rates because they're authoritarian," or something like that.

Any time you meet an anti-masker bring up this situation and ask them how it feels to be an unwitting shill for the police state. Masks are a great way to beat facial recognition software and we have a perfect excuse to wear them all the time in public now.

It’s ok they will only track the smokin hot babes anyway