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reid0 t1_j6h5v4z wrote

Reply to comment by SmashTagLives in Ford recalls 462,000 SUVs over rearview camera issue by Sorin61

The problem is you didn’t make a valid point.

The people who are trying to drive safely make use of the tools available to help them do so. A tool which improves visibility by definition allows those drivers to reduce their chance of having an accident.

And of course, the evidence supports that.

You can keep ranting your conspiracy theories about ulterior motives all you want, but the motive behind the mandating of cameras doesn’t change their effectiveness.

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SmashTagLives t1_j6h7z7x wrote

“The evidence supports this”...

The evidence supports my point; which is that 50 times a week in the United States, people who shouldn’t be driving any car, no matter how many, or how few cameras it has, have no business driving whatsoever. Do you disagree?

Oh and remember, the ages of the baby road kill is 12-24 months. 12-24 months. I contend this age group supports my baby night crawler theory. Because I’m the father of a three year old. And there weren’t many times he was quick enough to surprise someone with or without a camera in their car. Because they can barely walk.

So it may stand to reason that it’s the parents or elderly family members running over relatives. At BEST it would be a neighbor. I mean how far can a 1-2 year old make it in the time it takes for their caregiver to see them, or the driver to back out of the driveway they LIVE IN.

you are saying “these cameras save lives” and I’m saying “No they don’t, the assholes that need them aren’t even paying attention”

I make a point. Admit it

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reid0 t1_j6h8ji5 wrote

You can keep waffling but you’re not making a point.

Cameras improve the chances of a careful driver from reversing into something that they otherwise couldn’t have seen without the camera.

That’s a simple, irrefutable truth.

Ensuring that every new vehicle offers that additional safety device allows the driver access to that additional level of accident prevention.

The evidence supports that.

Instead of making up random quotes and then assigning them to me despite me literally never having said them, you’d be better off looking at the research on the matter.

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SmashTagLives t1_j6h9z7v wrote

I’m quoting the evidence you posted?

And you say it yourself “improve the chances of a careful driver”

I’m saying that the careful driver shouldn’t need a camera to avoid running over a child.

The evidence you posted from that class action lawsuit site, cites this evidence. I’m not “waffling” (unless you’re using that word incorrectly) because I haven’t changed my mind.

I’ve been steadfast in my claim that cameras enable poor drivers in a similar way that automatic parallel parking does. Not in the silly way you think, but in the way that it removes the operator from learning how to be careful actually driving a vehicle. And the more it enables lack of skill and awareness.

You completely ignored my direct questions in my last reply, about the drivers running over their babies, the statistic you sent me, then mocked me for “quoting”. Who are they?

Instead you respond with statistical platitudes and boring verbs that have two different continental definitions.

So I ask again, you think that the babies being killed are gonna be saved by cameras?

Or are you going to try again to poorly slap together a pathetic little jab, vaguely refer me to “the stats” and drop another buzzword to avoid my questions

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reid0 t1_j6hckak wrote

You didn’t cite anything. If you want to cite something, then cite it. If you want to quote me, then be accurate.

You are not basing your beliefs on evidence. You want me to concede that your unproven beliefs, based on your unscientific personal evaluation and anecdotes is somehow relevant. It’s not relevant. It’s not proven. It’s not measurable. It’s not evidence.

Every study on the subject that I’ve found shows that simply having a reversing camera reduces the likelihood of a hitting something while reversing.

You want to imagine that simply having a camera makes people worse drivers, but that claim is not supported by any evidence. The actual evidence shows the opposite.

If you have some evidence to backup your unfounded claim, then provide it.

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SmashTagLives t1_j6hd182 wrote

My original point, was that if you need a camera to not kill a child, you should not be driving.

Do you disagree

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reid0 t1_j6hd9tn wrote

Your original point, and I quote:

>You joke, but I took my test in a VW westfalia camping van. I’m a better, more alert driver for it.

>I admit that cameras are an important safety measure and very helpful. But I contend they don’t make the driver more capable, they make them less capable. They teach the driver to focus on the screen instead of checking all surroundings. The camera should only be a small part of it.

>Source: every single person under the age of 25 I have ever been in a car with.

Your original point is that cameras make people worse drivers. The evidence indicates the opposite is true.

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SmashTagLives t1_j6hjtih wrote

You’re splitting hairs. You know I meant “cameras enable poor drivers” just as much as I meant that they can indeed make a driver less attentive than they otherwise would be. And again, I’m basing this on how everyone I know drives. Before, and after, and the ones only with cameras.

It is an opinion and a theory, difficult to quantify a metric for.

So now that all of that is settled, answer my question.

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reid0 t1_j6hl4wu wrote

Ah yes, after being caught trying to ignore the fact that you just lied about your original point, now I’m supposedly splitting hairs. And I’m doing that by speaking to exactly what you claimed and by providing actual research study results to back up my claims, which directly disprove yours.

You can call it a theory, or an opinion, or whatever else you want, but it remains unsupported by facts. And, as mentioned, the facts we have access to indicate that the exact opposite is true.

And you understand that you just randomly claiming that your theory is difficult to measure or prove doesn’t actually make that true, right? It’s not a particularly difficult thing to study or analyse. The thing is, the other related studies have effectively already disproven your theory without requiring a separate, singular study.

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SmashTagLives t1_j6hqvwl wrote

Dude, just humor me. Answer the question.

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reid0 t1_j6hr14v wrote

I don’t want to humour you. I want you to stop being silly.

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SmashTagLives t1_j6huz66 wrote

Stop saying silly and answer the question.

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reid0 t1_j6hyu7p wrote

Acknowledge that you were, and are still, being silly.

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