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CheezitzAreGewd t1_j14jmwb wrote

Reply to comment by MarkDoner in Five ways TikTok is seen as threat to US national security by Sorin61

Simple:

U.S. government harvesting its citizens' data isn't a national security threat.

A foreign country controlling misinformation, psychological well-being, and stealing data is a national security threat.

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MarkDoner t1_j14nwke wrote

It's not a "national security threat", true, but it is a threat to the rights and freedoms that are the foundation of what America stands for. I think it's even more pernicious TBH

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CheezitzAreGewd t1_j14ox9p wrote

I never said it didn't violate an individuals rights and freedoms. In this context, however, we are discussing whether or not it's a "US national security" threat which it is.

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MarkDoner t1_j14pase wrote

I asked for an explanation of why it's ok for the US government to do these things. You brought up national security, which you then established isn't relevant to my question. Thank you.

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CheezitzAreGewd t1_j14s04o wrote

You asked "people who are against TikTok for these reasons to explain".

I'm giving you reasons why these things are bad if a foreign government does it if you're a US citizen. You can be against both.

However, i would like it if a country who:

Steals corporate/government data.
Steals trade secrets.
Imprisons and violates their citizens rights far worse than the United States.
Has concentration camps.
Is ran by a dictator.

Doesnt ->

Steal more secrets.
Sow more political divide and misinformation.
Rise to power more than it already has.
Hold the US hostage like the manufacturing industry.

Edit: TLDR = Pick your poison.

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MarkDoner t1_j1561f8 wrote

Yeah, I don't like the way the CCP does things either, but since I live in the US I'm a lot more worried about how the US government does things. Apart from potential misinformation, it's hard to see how your list of things is relevant to TikTok.

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CheezitzAreGewd t1_j156c5n wrote

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/v83iw4/is_tiktok_spyware

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/Not_new_news%2C_but_tbh_if_you_have_tiktiok%2C_just_get_rid_of_it/fmuko1m

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MarkDoner t1_j15n4sx wrote

So they do the same things Google, Facebook, and the rest do. But people complain more about TikTok because maybe the data goes to the commies instead of whoever you think ought to be tracking you.

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NastyMonkeyKing t1_j15wq4e wrote

US will use the info to make money and control opinions. China will use info to destabilize the country and control opinions.

It's kinda that simple. No one is saying either is good. But it seems objectively better to have it be in US control than our enemies control

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MarkDoner t1_j16cznl wrote

I'll give you a plausible but hypothetical example of why I'm more worried about domestic mass surveillance than foreign mass surveillance. Let's say a person named Alice is involved in BLM, and though she does nothing illegal, she becomes a thorn in the side of the local chapter of the Proud Boys. Bob, policeman who is also a member of this Proud Boys group, happens to have an old high school friend, Candice, who now works in information technology for a federal law enforcement agency. Bob, pretending to be acting in his capacity as a law enforcement officer, pressures Candice into abusing her access to social media surveillance data to share information about Alice, and Bob uses that data to track down Alice in an isolated location and break her kneecaps.... Foreign mass surveillance is generally much less tightly coupled with regular people in the US, and while something like this story could happen, it'd pretty much have to involve foreign agents (spies) who are much fewer in number than far-right policemen.

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