Submitted by fchung t3_zqx96i in technology
optimist31 t1_j161dg8 wrote
Reply to comment by Vanman04 in Universal flu vaccine may be available within two years, says scientist by fchung
I will do it for you. The research on the 3 shots that I received is right here(CDC on Pfizer), the link can't be better. To sum it up, vaccines did save lives of 0.0029% of people that received the shots. About 3000 in 1 million at a peak of infections(effective use of vaccinations within 3 months).
And the side effect is myocarditis (weakening of the heart walls) which caused around 0,00036% to die in the control test (same report). About 380 in a million.
The point is that I don't want to repeat is these unknown factors (unknown efficacy, effects and adverse effects).
My question is what damage it could've caused to heart walls long term. No one can answer that, as we're yet to get an answer on that if someone dares to question.
It's not entirely appealing to take something that does a little bit of damage in a million of people and actually save 3000 (minus 380 and others in adverse reactions, minus ineffective efficacy due to not receiving new jabs about and few other variables).
All I want is not to be forced to be a lab rat, forcibly "voluntarily" agree that I take responsibility for any side-effects, and I "now allow it to be administered". I felt like taking those jabs in a lawyers office. They never did that with a flu shot. I don't want that to repeat. And all that was required by law after I suffered through multiple strains and gained own immunity to them.
Make the medicine, make sure it's up to par first. Covid is coming around, and I don't see people running to jab themselves, because this exact thought is at the back of people's minds that it prevents by drawing on your immune system, rather than strengthening it.
Rather take what doctors take, like RX550 (potent immunity booster) that knocks the socks off compared to covid itself and work twice as long. Also alternative medicine was excluded from consideration at a time.. how is that for freedom of choice.
Vaccines are great for chickenpox, but flu is not curable due to seasonal mutations with it, unlike other viruses that your body has to learn once. Even those have side-effects, but I fair trade to become immune to known diseases.
The article in the post, it's a baseline shot, not a cure. I hope this research brings better breakthroughs down the road and keeps the facts straight without toy toying with lives globally.
So to get back to your comment, it's more of ethics that I want to see brushed up and transparency that will make me want to take it rather than read another article on new findings after I had 3 of them. It does make me question about it's benefits or drawbacks.
TLDR: when it's ready in 2 years time, test, then announce the miracle flu shot. Too early for population now to think about.
Vanman04 t1_j166iip wrote
lots of words but from your own link.
The pooled vaccine effectiveness estimates from the observational studies demonstrated that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine reduced symptomatic COVID-19 when compared to no vaccination (pooled vaccine effectiveness: 92.4% (95% CI: 87.5–95.3%), based on 8 studies) [6,10,11,14,17,18,21,31]. The pooled vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization due to COVID-19 was 94.3% (95% CI 87.9–97.3%), based on 8 studies [13,15,17,21,22,25,28,30]. The pooled vaccine effectiveness for prevention of death due to COVID-19 was 96.1% (95%CI 91.5–98.2%), based on 4 studies [13,15,17,25]. The pooled vaccine effectiveness against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection was 89.3% (95% CI 88.4–90.1%), based on 2 studies [17,24
0.0029% does not appear anywhere in your link so you are pulling that number from god knows where. (I have my suspicions but)
But all of that is really unecessary since you can find the hospitalization numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated.
In this cross-sectional study of US adults hospitalized with COVID-19 during January 2022 to April 2022 (during Omicron variant predominance), COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates were 10.5 times higher in unvaccinated persons and 2.5 times higher in vaccinated persons with no booster dose, respectively, compared with those who had received a booster dose. Compared with unvaccinated hospitalized persons, vaccinated hospitalized persons were more likely to be older and have more underlying medical conditions.
That all by itself puts the lie to the .0029 % number you pulled from apparently no where.
You need to stop listening to quaks and fox news.
You seem to be one of those follks deparate to ensure you have not been mislead and grasping at anything that can give you comfort in knowing you have done your research and you aren't being played like a fool.
You say you don't want to be a lab rat but you refuse to listen to what the labs and actual data is telling you. you are grasping at folks who are grifting for money coming up with made up numbers like .00029 to make yourself feel better. But all you are really doing is fooling yourself and endangering your health and those around you.
I found a source for your .0029 number and it's wild how wrong your conclusions of it are. This is from the post of all places a paper sympathetic to the right wing lunacy.
https://nypost.com/2022/01/11/cdc-study-highlights-covids-low-risk-to-the-vaccinated/
The agency looked at 1,228,664 people who were vaccinated between December 2020 and October 2021 …
Of those, 2,256 developed COVID, or 0.1%
Of those, 189 had a serious outcome, or 0.01%
Of those, 36 died, or 0.0029%
Roughly 28 of those who died had four or more comorbidities, including immunosuppression, diabetes, and chronic kidney, cardiac, pulmonary, neurologic and/or liver disease.
In short, if you’re vaccinated, the risk of death, or even hospitalization, from COVID is infinitesimally small. Like being-struck-by-lightning-in-your-lifetime small.
So your .0029 is your chances of dying when you have the booster Pretty freaking impressive really that you came to the exact opposite conclusion that it was just the people saved. Exact opposite of what that number represents it is actually the number it didn't save.
This is why I rarely waste time with folks like you because you think you have done your research but that just means you found folks to confirm your conspiracy nonsense and stopped looking. What's really wild is you know where to look but then refuse to actually read what the studies say.
I wish you luck with your conspiracy theory nonsense and hope that it never bites you in the ass as it has so many r/HermanCainAward
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