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BelleAriel t1_ixn2fhi wrote

Good and solidarity with the workers. They need to start treating them better.

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cavan47 t1_ixn65sv wrote

Going to get down voted for this but they are competitive with other warehouses for most states and compared to other places it's not very demanding. Yes you are doing repetitive tasks and standing in one spot all day but they have accomodations if you have medical conditions or pregnant where they will provide you a chair or lower your expected rate even. Before amazon I never had a job where I can just put time in and it auto approves you with no hassle of a manager trying to convince you to come in. If people want to unionize more power to you I just don't understand what there lacking.

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SupahSang t1_ixn86kz wrote

Replying to cavan47 (#653,855)

You mean the warehouses that managers forced them to keep working in despite tornado warnings and hurricanes, and snow storms and heat waves? The warehouses that, in Germany, employed 3rd party security that turned out to just be a bunch of neonazis? You mean the warehouses where the employees felt so much pressure they were considering suicide? The warehouses that see double the amount of injuries compared to non-Amazon warehouses?

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bluefast95 t1_ixn8n87 wrote

Replying to cavan47 (#653,855)

The fact that everyone moves a few hundred products around a day ranging from $2-$500 and only get paid bare minimum the drivers get paid less than any other mail or delivery company and warehouse workers same. For the richest company in the world they could add at least a couple dollars an hour on their wages.

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AnxiousAtheist t1_ixnhf4i wrote

Has anyone made a sub for technology yet?

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toddthewraith t1_ixnnahq wrote

Replying to antwill (#655,480)

Depends on the facility too. It costs a LOT to replace a warehouse, and if you're in the traditional sort network they can't automate a lot of the stations without rebuilding the whole warehouse.

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destraight t1_ixnnsey wrote

Replying to cavan47 (#653,855)

Yeah you're not foolin anyone with that. I used to work for Amazon and the company was shit and it will always be shit. I hated being a palletizer, and I especially hated being a water spider. Those packaging carts would always get overfilled and if I wasn't careful enough boxes would fall down and hit my head. Fuck that place. I got out with my head and brain still intact. I can't say the same for you though

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ibond_007 t1_ixnssai wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#655,567)

Amazon is not the richest company. Amazon retail doesn’t make any money infact it is losing money. In fact Amazon was the first company ( don’t bring Costco in this conversation ) to raise the hourly rate. Now Amazon pays around $18+ per hour. Amazon still pays way better than Walmart in terms of pay and benefits.

Folks who complain how can some one live with a livable wage with $36K gross the answer is not to keep raising the salary but bring the housing costs down as it costs up more 50% of the income for these earners.

How to fix housing? Rent control doesn’t work. Intead shift the incentives for builders and home owners and charge a premium for rental owners.

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ibond_007 t1_ixntbvy wrote

Replying to Negafox (#655,141)

Don’t put Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk together. Jeff Bezos is a business man just like Sam Walton. But Elon is a scumbag who wants to fuckup democracy on the world!

For folks who support Elon and think he is neutral. Look at today tweet where he picked on the Left! When was the last time he tweeted that right is fucking our country? Where is his tweet about insurrection? Elon is a slimy scumbag who cares about protecting his wealth.

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Chobeat t1_ixnwbvd wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#656,400)

He won't but just because he's not capable, not because he doesn't want to. He's friend with plenty of people that are more actively and more aptly sabotaging western democracies. First and foremost his paypal-mafia friend Peter Thiel.

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ibond_007 t1_ixnynsi wrote

Replying to Chobeat (#656,616)

I stopped responding to those Elon idiots who have their head up Elons’s ass. They are the MAGA nuts in Elons’s space. Inspite of any proofs you give they still believe Elon is genius and savior of mankind and media is hurting him!

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Productpusher t1_ixnzsom wrote

Is it going to be as eventful as the ones in the USA where 12 people protested outside last year

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FromFartToPoop t1_ixo2zjp wrote

Fuck Amazon. I don’t understand who keeps using it. I mean I get prime delivery but the shit they sell is just made in China junk.

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AndyP8 t1_ixo5pw3 wrote

Wtf does this have to do with Technology?

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TheCallousBitch t1_ixo7qkm wrote

Replying to destraight (#655,579)

Serious question: what do you do for work that pays more, same or better health benefits, with better conditions, without training/certification/education/years of experience?

Not arguing - genuinely asking.

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TheCallousBitch t1_ixo7rag wrote

Replying to 745395 (#654,646)

Serious question: what do you do for work that pays more, same or better health benefits, with better conditions, without training/certification/education/years of experience?

Not arguing - genuinely asking.

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TheCallousBitch t1_ixo7s95 wrote

Replying to bluefast95 (#654,113)

Serious question: what do you do for work that pays more, same or better health benefits, with better conditions, without training/certification/education/years of experience?

Not arguing - genuinely asking.

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TheCallousBitch t1_ixo7ssh wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#654,650)

Serious question: what do you do for work that pays more, same or better health benefits, with better conditions, without training/certification/education/years of experience?

Not arguing - genuinely asking.

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jdith123 t1_ixo8z0z wrote

I hope everyone is joining in. But Reddit is filled with advice on getting the best Black Friday Amazon deals.

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mnemy t1_ixo9f58 wrote

Countries? Black Friday is celebrated world wide? That makes no sense.

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mrzurch t1_ixobjaf wrote

Everyone do the world a favor and stop giving money to Amazon.

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ECK-2188 t1_ixocupg wrote

Fuck Jeff Bezos give ‘em’ hell boys.

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M_Mich t1_ixoefdm wrote

and reddit put an amazon BF ad right under the article

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Hyperian t1_ixofpam wrote

Replying to Redditallreally (#654,632)

Using automation as a defense against better working conditions for people is a misunderstanding of why we want automation.

Robots will always replace people if they can. Even if people are slaves. Slaves get sick, they have to eat, they have to sleep. Robots won't have any of that.

All the depressing wage does is make automation happen slower, but it's gonna happen anyway.

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slams-head-on-desk t1_ixohptl wrote

I’m boycotting Black Friday sales everywhere because I can’t afford shit I don’t need right now.

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iaymnu t1_ixoj1p4 wrote

Boycotting after i get my packages

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ibond_007 t1_ixomiyo wrote

Replying to RebornPastafarian (#659,633)

I agree but Amazon takes way more blame. Walmart employees were permanent recipients of food stamps! But no one talks about it.

Again my point is we can’t keep raising the wage as inflation goes up along with it. We have to bring the costs down especially housing costs.

Nationally we need a goal to build X amount of low cost homes to house all the people. US population is growing healthy compared to other western countries and we have to make the lives better.

Bad mouthing the billionaires is not helping. These billionaires switch side to Republicans and want to fuck us even more. Elon is the recent example who switched sides purely because of unionization efforts!

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ibond_007 t1_ixon5d4 wrote

Replying to _unfortuN8 (#659,685)

Yes and no. Depending on how you do it. Make the second home or rental home taxes 2-3X of the primary home. This will de incentivize to rent or have second homes. Similarly being a tax code to tax rental property incomes with a higher percentage.

With low interest rate all the corporations and rich guys can afford to buy more homes and rent them. First home buyers don’t have a opportunity to get into the game.

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[deleted] t1_ixoqagl wrote

Replying to ibond_007 (#656,093)

Amazon IS the most profitable company. It has its dominance in many sectors, for example Amazon web services. Retail may not be as profitable but its intangible as it brings customers to other services.

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cavan47 t1_ixos4j0 wrote

Replying to SupahSang (#654,051)

If there is a tornado outside you need to stay indoors they teach you this in elementary school. The facilities have ac and heaters and are temperature controlled usually around 78 degrees most warehouses from other companies don't have ac. I am not familiar of with the Germany incident you may have me on that one. And as for suicide they literally offer free mental health counseling what else do you want them to offer for that? Rates have never been an issue there just there to make sure your actually working for your shift because some people literally hide on the bathroom all day and it takes them weeks to get fired.

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RebornPastafarian t1_ixosu99 wrote

Replying to ibond_007 (#659,701)

…no. Walmart being shitty does not excuse Amazon being shitty.

“We can’t keep raising wages” is a moronic thing to say because we have not been raising wages. The paltry increases of the last few years is still significantly less than they should be and monumentally less than the wealthy have given themselves.

Costs are not rising. Corporate profits are rising more than inflation.

The billionaires are the problem and need to be badmouthed. And by badmouthed I mean we need to fucking eat them.

Stop fucking trying to excuse this behavior with “but Walmart is even worse!!!!!!!! Stop being so mean to amazon!!!!!!”

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cavan47 t1_ixotv9y wrote

Replying to destraight (#655,579)

It's not meant to fool anyone. I am genuinely asking and that sounds like a bad experience where safety should have done something about overfilling carts but ops sucks so we have to escalate it ourselves. Water spidering is not for everyone but some ppl love it bc all the do is flirt. I make decent money as a l3 now I'm not planning on leaving.

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cavan47 t1_ixoujcn wrote

Replying to bluefast95 (#654,113)

Amazon as a whole makes money but about %90 of the profit is in aws that's where I'm trying to go. Raises could definitely happen but in the current economy where we are closing sites and letting go of people I don't see raises happening for any warehouse workers especially sense they just gave everyone $1 raise at sites in my area early oct. I know not everyone got that much but those site were already above $15

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cavan47 t1_ixoxf96 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#658,271)

You can think whatever you want of me but the fact is your avoiding the hard questions and probably don't have any good answers. Everyone acts like amazon is the worst but when asked how it can be fixed you decide to make fun of them how do expect anyone to take you seriously.

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bikesexually t1_ixoz7jj wrote

Replying to EasterBunnyArt (#656,308)

The easier and better solution is to have a progressive property tax rate. 1-2 house you pay normal rates. 3-5 houses you pay 5% more. 6-10 houses you pay 10% more. Etc. Those will reduce the number of massive holdings/hoardings and slum lords while increasing available funds for the locality.

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Matchew024 t1_ixp2dkl wrote

The post office will pick up their shift. 😫

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fire_cdn t1_ixpa69e wrote

Replying to ibond_007 (#659,772)

As someone at the earlier stages of building a real estate investment portfolio, I suspect that raising property taxes will in some ways just get passed onto renters (I assume that's what you mean by the first portion of your moment), but maybe not

I do agree that adjustments to the tax code are needed. I suspect most of the public would want sudden drastic changes unlikely to actually come into law. Instead I think that the changes need to be gradual. Most real estate investors (especially small to medium sized investors) build their wealth over decades through tax advantages. Sure some quickly flip homes but there's also a lot of risk in that.

Depending on the market, some get lucky with property appreciation but it often make very little cash month to month or even "loses" money. Others focus on markets that cash flow very well but don't appreciate much. Then of course there's the quality of neighborhood where the cash flow is inversely proportional to the quality of the area, quality (aka risks) of the tenants.

Anyways, most properties these days cash flow $150-300 per door per month after all expenses (and appropriate budgeting for repairs etc). It's not much. The power comes from limiting or not paying any income tax on that $150-300 per door per month. For example, you can sometimes write off property taxes. Other common write-offs include mortgage interest, property depreciation (that can be spread out over 27.5 years or accelerated for more write off in a short period), repairs, etc.

If the property appreciates and you want to sell it, in theory you should pay capital gains tax. Although the rate is fairly low, you also get hit with "repaying" the property depreciation that I mentioned above.

The loop hole is that you can do a 1031 exchange. Essentially you have a small window of time to sell the property, turn around, and reinvest that same amount of money into another property (or multiple properties adding up to that same amount). When you do this, you do not pay capital gains tax nor repay the property depreciation. These owed taxes get passed forward until the property is sold not using a 1031 exchange. However, you can apparently do this until you die and pass it onto your children who can indefinitely repeat this, deferring taxes. The owed taxes may even disappear when you die? Although that's so far ahead I haven't consulted an estate attorney yet.

I think that the tax code needs to slowly go after the 1031 exchange. There's been some talk about this for years but no government wants to truly commit since let's face it, they likely directly or indirectly benefit from this through their network.

Oh another fun loophole. If you have a full time W2 job but your spouse stays at home/works part time, you can potentially claim that the spouse runs your real estate portfolio. They can get this special status where they can pass up to 100% of the extra unused tax write offs from the properties onto the working spouses W2 to offset that income tax. Versus above where you still pay income tax from your W2 job but likely owe nothing on your real estate income.

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kweer t1_ixpa71z wrote

Replying to ibond_007 (#656,168)

>Don’t put Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk together. Jeff Bezos is a business man just like Sam Walton. But Elon is a scumbag who wants to fuckup democracy on the world! > >For folks who support Elon and think he is neutral. Look at today tweet where he picked on the Left! When was the last time he tweeted that right is fucking our country? Where is his tweet about insurrection? Elon is a slimy scumbag who cares about protecting his wealth.

I think you might have been too subtle for this sub.

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kweer t1_ixpam9o wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#660,143)

>Amazon IS the most profitable company.

It is not even in the top 5 most profitable companies.

The most profitable is Apple, but all of their blue collar work is done by wage slaves in Asia.

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[deleted] t1_ixpg4vp wrote

Replying to kweer (#662,646)

True technically, I meant that i find arguments of not increasing wages because a company is not the “top” somewhat glib. It certainly has the means.

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UniversalEthos53 t1_ixpujj3 wrote

Replying to ibond_007 (#661,011)

Actually it’s pretty common. We have a few really nice (way nicer than a lot of the apartments) in TN. Thought they were for rent but couldn’t make more than 30K jointly or single and couldn’t be in school. 1500sq ft for 600$ a month utilities included. It was at this point the lady let me know it was government housing. Place was nice as shit.

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EasterBunnyArt t1_ixpwzm6 wrote

Replying to demmian (#662,629)

Exactly, which is what is happening already. You need to remove tax breaks from nested companies and apply them to all if they are under an umbrella. I recall last year or so Germany had a report on one company having like 50 nested companies.

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EasterBunnyArt t1_ixpygyy wrote

Replying to NeverInept (#664,941)

There is a difference between intentionally failing and the overall idea being useless. Just because Republicans have been gutting public investments for decades does not mean other nations haven’t made it work. Hell, a preliminary search in my corner and it seems most government housing is just financing private housing these days. We even have the discussions on NPR here and it will be private building going forward with mandatory fixed affordability. So all in all the public access will still be private but with some expected to be available for cheap. At least for a few years and then we tend to forget about it.

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DrainLars t1_ixpyman wrote

It is nuts that this company is owned by one of the richest people on the planet. That space trip isnt going to pay itself though lol..

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hdksjabsjs t1_ixq8tzb wrote

If you work in retail Black Friday is more like Big ol Black Friday; that 425lb 6’7” African American gentleman you had to shower with in prison

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Bearet t1_ixqfsvg wrote

Don't buy a physical Gift Card. The odds are that it won't be recognized by Amazon and then it may be discounted. I haven't tried digital e-cards because I am not that brave or foolhardy. Just say no to Amazon gift cards. BTW: I am in the third month of trying to get a card recognized by Amazon.

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Own-Opinion-2494 t1_ixqhdrr wrote

Bezos says he’s going to give away 128 billion when he retires or whatever. How about throw a few billion at the people who are working for him now. That’s insane

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ShiggyGoosebottom t1_ixsb9ty wrote

Replying to mnemy (#657,961)

American retailers have exported it. I’m in a small city in Japan and saw Black Friday signs on the entrance to the department store connected to the train station. Nobody lines up or goes bezerk like in the USA, but retailers do try to lure people in with discounts. And of course Amazon has had Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales. So other online retailers try to compete. I was very happy to hear the Amazon workers here have joined the global strike.

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