Submitted by 1r0ut3 t3_yzaa76 in technology
moleware t1_iwyu277 wrote
So they're aware that this will have consequences, they know what those consequences will be technically, but they're going to do it as an experiment to see what happens societally?
I can understand the technological arguments against the leap second. None of them really apply to everyday life though, so I really doubt that this decision will have any practical effect, especially if it takes nearly a hundred years to drift by even a minute.
i_have_chosen_a_name t1_iwz6wr8 wrote
Somebody a hundred years from now is gonna miss a sunset by one minute.
Even-Fix8584 t1_iwzaq72 wrote
At the same time…. We can’t get rid of day light fucking savings!?!?!
doctorlongghost t1_iwzj6xy wrote
Why don’t we just get rid of sunsets? Seems like the more effective remedy…
HaloGuy381 t1_iwzs699 wrote
Or sunrises. Let’s just tidally lock the Earth! Infinite solar power!
jag149 t1_ix1ffn9 wrote
I have blackout curtains and a sleep mask, and light still keeps me awake. Let's keep the sun on the other side, thank you. And the permanent night life will make my problem drinking seem a lot more normal.
Informal_Aspect_6330 t1_ix1g9n9 wrote
I was against you at first but you convinced me at the end.
russianmofia t1_ix0ss6n wrote
We want to keep DST(the hour ahead) and drop standard time that we’re in right now(the fall back).
ronnieler1 t1_ix1u6sd wrote
So standard time is the one that gets dark earlier? If so, it needs to go
russianmofia t1_ix2346z wrote
Yes, we are in standard time currently. DST begins again March, when nights will be longer again and our seasonal depression will be revealed that it is not just seasonal.
ronnieler1 t1_ix26os2 wrote
I am still confused. Nights are longer now. Current time sucks depression is now
FreddoMac5 t1_ix3052z wrote
Nights are longer now due to the earth's axial tilt which DST tries to mitigate by falling back an hour to actually give you MORE sunlight. DST doesn't have a god damn thing to do with the days being shorter during winter and everyone blaming DST for it are morons.
ronnieler1 t1_ix32pse wrote
DST is crap. It does not give me .ore sunlight. It makes sunrise at 6 am when i am still sleeping and sun set at 5.
Why the fuck do we need sun rise at 6 am?
FreddoMac5 t1_ix4u5f4 wrote
The sun rises later in winter even with the fall back.
russianmofia t1_ix2j1sz wrote
I mean evenings are longer I guess? I’m saying it emotionally lol so in the summers the nights are longer like it’s daylight later. Damn I am horrible at explaining my thoughts sorry
DAWTSF t1_iwzbn3o wrote
I love a good sale though. Why would we get rid of it?
Even-Fix8584 t1_iwzc10x wrote
And you sold me! More savings, less reality!!!
kintokae t1_ix1pu39 wrote
It’s actually been approved by the senate and is pending approval from the house.
Even-Fix8584 t1_ix1qd6s wrote
I know, but they are getting ready to argue about it…. Doesn’t sound like it will pass.
blaqkaudioxd t1_ix7wwap wrote
I believe a bill has been passed a while back that gets rid of it actually. I believe its called the sunshine protection act or something similar
Even-Fix8584 t1_ix7z02q wrote
Still gotta pass the house…. And even though a Republican Senator introduced it, the Republican controlled house has to pass it.
Didn’t sound like democrat controlled house was going to get it passed, not sure the new house wants it either.
blaqkaudioxd t1_ix7zuu7 wrote
Ah. I haven't heard anything since it passed the Senate. Thanks for the update.
elitedejaguar t1_ix0yezq wrote
México did because we know is just a scam and a weapon fo controll and it makes money by stealing workers time.
vadapaav t1_ix794ul wrote
Why did Mexico have it in first place? Countries on or near tropics get nearly same day light across the year. They have no reason to do this drama
[deleted] t1_ix0fqsg wrote
Thank you for being a considerate human being.
TheShroomHermit t1_iwzcyv0 wrote
Found the optimist
jorge1209 t1_ix11u1v wrote
I believe Google already ignores them and just amortizes the leap times over a longer period of time in their data centers.
https://developers.google.com/time/smear
Ultimately that should probably be the solution. Core atomic time sources can just lie in a coordinated fashion to amortize an adjustment as needed.
Astronomers (being the smaller community) can then program these adjustments into their time tables.
EvidenceBasedOnly t1_ix15nv1 wrote
Just use TAI for storage and low level timekeeping and adjust to UTC and then local time at the input/output stage, just like we do already with time zones.
jorge1209 t1_ix1b29e wrote
In most use cases it is very helpful for there to be exactly 24 * 60 * 60 "seconds" in a day, but it's not all that important that a second be an SI second.
If you insist that a second is a physical second from an atomic time source you will eventually accumulate some noticable difference between the official time and the astronomical time.
The general public can probably accept a much greater deviation in that than the one second that has been the practice for the last few decades, but if the astronomical community thinks it is worth keeping world time in sync with astronomical time then they should bear the brunt of the adjustment.
A single second amortized over a full day is not detectable by commodity time sources. So if you want to make the adjustment do it that way. Lie about how long the seconds are, just make your lie so small that it falls below the natural variation in quartz time sources.
Even-Fix8584 t1_iwzakz7 wrote
“I refuse to let physics dictate our reality.”
EvidenceBasedOnly t1_ix15hck wrote
It will allow programming time libraries to simplify a bunch (eventually) tho which is based as hell. Fucking NominalTimeDiff vs AbsoluteTimeDiff is such noise.
koosley t1_ix1ic7o wrote
I'm a developer and work in corporate America. No matter what problem is thrown at me, time is consistently the most difficult subject. Listening to 3 project managers trying to figure out a go live time between the UK, Singapore and 3 US timezones is comical. It was around November so the differing day light savings between the UK and US came into play as well.
My life is made difficult since I deal with really old systems designed by Cisco. Server time is whatever windows is set to, so you have to manually add and subtract offsets when dealing with Arizona or other places that don't observe the servers daylight savings schedule.
madhi19 t1_ix1n7fj wrote
Figure we revisit the question if some form of relatively modern civilization is still up and running by the time we have a noticeable drift. Big fucking IF by the way.
moleware t1_ix1rodj wrote
The way things are going, you're absolutely right.
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