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Secondary92 t1_iybjwc3 wrote

Reply to comment by SnooAvocados763 in Modern Slavery Is a Global Problem in All Renewable Energy Supply Chains: New Report by chrisdh79

This just smells like the latest campaign cooked up by fossil fuels executives in a boardroom somewhere to muddy public sentiment and to slow down the transition as long as possible to squeeze out every last cent.

Joins a long list of other smokescreens about why renewables aren't perfect yet, despite the problems rarely ever being unique to renewables and at the same time being far, far better than their alternatives.

Not to mention other nonsense like putting the responsibility on general citizens to "reduce their own personal carbon footprint".

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Howiebledsoe t1_iybt0kp wrote

This is exactly it. Most of all production is marred by slavery somewhere along the line, in pretty much all major industry. Putting the spotlight on green energy without mentioning everything else is clearly setting an agenda. Yes, we need to find a way to abolish all slavery, but many of these people are also the ones who will be most affected by global warming and climate change.

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patchmedicine t1_iybyvd7 wrote

i’m not sure that’s the point of the article. I think the main point is that a lot of these green energy companies claim to be “squeaky clean” and what not, and that’s what attracts a lot of people to their business. for example apple doesn’t advertise its climate impact as part of phone marketing yet electronic bike companies do even those they both use these supply chains to get rare earth metals like lithium for their batteries. I think the point is to draw attention and say hey it’s a good idea but the execution isn’t there yet. But regardless still extremely screwed up how awful some areas are in the world, I hope that changes soon.

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MacaroniBandit214 t1_iydqw9q wrote

Except the fact that Apple does use their climate impact as a part of advertising. After every announcement they talk about how their production is “on track to be emission free by 2030”

Edit: emission not admission

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Loki-L t1_iyckfuv wrote

Yes, my home country just made a deal with Qatar or future gas imports and everyone knows that there are no issues with slavery in Qatar.

Unless you happen to buy your oil from Norway you are definitely supporting some human rights violating regime.

Avoiding renewable energy for humanitarian reasons is stupid.

We should definitely work on these issues, but we shouldn't give up on renewables because of that when the alternative is so much worse.

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JEEPFAN123 t1_iydh26i wrote

There is still no viable solution for the replacement of fossil fuels…

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polishlastnames t1_iyf1rfc wrote

You’re getting downvoted, but you bring up a legitimate point.

The cost of capital is becoming immense. Every new part requires a new machine, etc. Are we including that in carbon costs for production? Are we really net positive building something high tech that requires hundreds of different supply chains and non renewables, just so there’s no emissions?

I don’t have the answer but I’d like to see an analysis that says it’s a net positive, with a total analysis of all pieces out together, transportation costs (not just for parts, but people having to drive to work, etc). Because only in a truly total analysis can you say it’s a net positive. I think we’re all grasping for straws, especially when a car says “zero emissions” (it should say “zero direct emissions”)

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Few_Advisor3536 t1_iyf4dd1 wrote

Hydrogen fuel cell. Clean, has better milage than standard electric, doesnt require all the lithium that battery vehicles use, service stations can remain in place aswell all the jobs associated with logistics, hydrogen is the most abundant resource on our planet (and off) and theres no 8 hour charge time or extra stress on the electrical grid.

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