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WexfordHo t1_ixw0hd6 wrote
It’s a software update, I don’t think this is costing them anything, and Tesla owners are the sort of suckers who love that their car be updated over the air.
TheNewMeYouHaventCN t1_ixw0txu wrote
Not only are you super late in posting this, but it's an OTA update that's already out to like 99% of the cars.
macross1984 t1_ixw4jkz wrote
Overpriced car that is not reliable as once thought.
pobody t1_ixw5h27 wrote
Them grapes sure are sour, aren't they?
TW_Yellow78 t1_ixw7nm1 wrote
Getting more patches than Cyberpunk 2077. Can they just stop pretending a software bandaid fixes it and just replace the tailights?
SeaweedSorcerer t1_ixw848h wrote
Not much point in replacing the light bulb if the problem is in the thing that tells it to turn on.
rjwilson01 t1_ixwco2q wrote
My biggest issue is there been at least one other , something to do with windows, and the are other incidents so it feels like they are testing updates to a one tone 100km/hr projectile whilst in production on the streets
Now, when we see the attitude to twitter, it seems like this is move fast and break things, on our streets
macross1984 t1_ixwcxoh wrote
I expect to get flak over this but I'm not concerned. Consumer Reports did an article concerning Tesla reliability and it is not good. People can believe in what they want to believe but it does not change the fact that electric car is more expensive than conventional car. And Tesla owners will find out they won't save much money as they thought.
For people disagreeing with my statement here is a link:
https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reliability-poor-2021/
bored_in_NE t1_ixwdfq8 wrote
Typical OTA update that other car companies wish they could do.
GetInZeWagen t1_ixwetiv wrote
Lol they're not replacing the cars over a brake light...
dak-sm t1_ixwevvd wrote
And yet… this is a basic safety function. Wonder how it got screwed up? The fact that they can fix it quickly is nice, but why was the error not caught in the regression testing of the software in the first place?
bored_in_NE t1_ixwgjd1 wrote
Apple sends out iOS updates all the time cause you can QA all you want and still miss something that will be figured out once it is being used by millions of people.
schrodingerinthehat t1_ixwh21r wrote
This reply always neglects how frequently there are Tesla recall "bugs" and the time it takes to resolve them while the cars are out in the wild.
schrodingerinthehat t1_ixwh7tw wrote
iPhones and Macs aren't a 1700 kg amalgamation of steel and batteries.
notallowedin t1_ixwl33v wrote
Second least reliable cars on the road are Teslas according to consumer reports. You couldn’t pay me to drive one.
notallowedin t1_ixwl9rw wrote
Second least reliable car manufacturer according to consumer reports. Overpriced crap.
itsmeok t1_ixwles4 wrote
Wait, a company that doesn't pay for ads gets rated poorer than ones that do. No way!
macross1984 t1_ixwmykc wrote
Really? That is a news to me. I thought Consumer Reports don't accept ad if I am not wrong.
itsmeok t1_ixwna6d wrote
There's money transfer somewhere, somehow.
They can say they are unbiased but people don't believe it anymore.
Neutral-President t1_ixwneav wrote
I’m surprised it’s just a software issue. Most Teslas I’ve seen have condensation inside at least one of the light units.
TheCrimsonFreak t1_ixwnebs wrote
At least they're not catching on fire this time.
TheCrimsonFreak t1_ixwnk4w wrote
Elon's balls sure are tasty, aren't they?
Gasser1313 t1_ixwojvg wrote
You probably can’t afford one.
macross1984 t1_ixwolgn wrote
Well, that makes it a different story. It will be harder for people to make objective decision if you can't trust the reviewer. Bummer.
VasagiTheSuck t1_ixwprp1 wrote
BMW has had failing tailights for 20 years, none of which have been fixed with an ota update.
JaqenYcar t1_ixwqs7t wrote
Said the person who doesn’t create entire fucking vehicles lol
myurr t1_ixwr853 wrote
And no other car manufacturer has ever had safety recalls over really fundamental things? Tesla are hardly an outlier here.
myurr t1_ixwrptk wrote
Hate to break it to you but nearly every car has a safety recall at some point in its life. In the last ten years I've owned 3 BMWs that all had recalls of one sort or another (only one was immediate, the others addressed at the next service). I've also had two Mercedes, one of which had a recall.
15k cars being recalled for a software update is also nothing compared to some of the largest recalls from other suppliers.
SpecificAstronaut69 t1_ixwu7to wrote
I bet you can't either, but you think that simping for them somehow conveys the same status as owning one that you crave.
SpecificAstronaut69 t1_ixwudyq wrote
No other car company has legions of insufferable basement-dwellers loudly doing obnoxious marketing for them.
myurr t1_ixwvf5m wrote
Or hoards of bigoted idiots twisting anything they can to have a go at them just because their CEO is a bit of a twat.
By all means point out all that Tesla is doing wrong and I'll happily agree. Their quality control is abysmal for a company with a production line as mature as theirs should be by now, their autopilot is a joke, etc. But attacking them for a basic recall that all manufacturers do is asinine and counter productive in that it creates ill informed noise clouding the real issues that they should be held accountable for.
Hadeshorne t1_ixwvi71 wrote
Obviously you were paid by Tesla to cast doubt on Consumer Reports.
I'm sure you got a money transfer somewhere, somehow.
Hadeshorne t1_ixwvpl0 wrote
Except the dude is just making claims without anything to back it up.
taterthotsalad t1_ixwvux5 wrote
JFC the shitshow that is Tesla. Fron cars being cut in half, Autopilot BS, to this, to the Chinese recall. How in the fuck does this brand get away with so much shit?
taterthotsalad t1_ixwvzln wrote
I can, but I value my family's safety over sucking Musk's cock. Any other car I can walk away from still breathing air. Musks autos and dick...not so much.
SpecificAstronaut69 t1_ixww3gl wrote
You don't know what "bigoted" means, do ya, bub?
But thanks for proving my point:
"CRITICISING A CONSUMER PRODUCT I ASPIRE TO ONE DAY HOPE TO OWN IS THE SAME AS RACISM!!!"
Leave the basement, and go outside.
notallowedin t1_ixwwvc7 wrote
I can afford the car but not the constant never-ending repairs. Plus they are ugly as shit so..
Gasser1313 t1_ixx0i8m wrote
Lol! I have had one since 2018. No issues.
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Gasser1313 t1_ixx0nte wrote
What repairs? I have had to fix a torn valve for the AC but that’s it and I had the car since 2018.
Plzbanmebrony t1_ixx0r99 wrote
Their review process doesn't allow them to provide informative review on tesla. Tesla updates and changes hardware frequently. They updates their cars like video game makers update games. Like get they like to have the best car they can but can't they just roll all those changes into new model years like everyone else?
wampa-stompa t1_ixx2nzu wrote
Meanwhile GM is out there setting records on the number of recalls in a year
taterthotsalad t1_ixx2snk wrote
Except you don’t know if you can walk away from it yet. You have trouble reading don’t you?
Gasser1313 t1_ixx2zc0 wrote
God your stupid. No wonder your statement made little sense. Probably go back to sucking dick brah
taterthotsalad t1_ixx38sb wrote
You’re* At least I can spell, read and do complex math. All you can do is tie a cherry stem with your tongue while fawning over Musk daddy with your tie tightly around your throat. Safety is safety. Tesla has been anything but safety.
Edit: They blocked me. Lmao
Teamerchant t1_ixx471b wrote
Elons a POS. But Tesla does have some Damm good engineers. Best car I’ve had, comparing to Toyota, chevy, BMW and a mercury.
But I’m sure you’ll find some others that are opposite. However I will say I’m sitting at 4 tires and a couple filters after 4-5 years and that’s it for maintenance and repair costs. Model 3 got free supercharging so I don’t even pay for electricity. Battery is doing great even with 99% supercharging.
Cyan-Eyed452 t1_ixx47kl wrote
Fucking this.
Granted my BMW is 6 years old at this point but I JUST shelled out £300 to fix a failing taillight.
How these motherfuckers gonna turn their noses up at a FREE OTA update that fixes the issue?
schrodingerinthehat t1_ixx4ntq wrote
They are literally an outlier...
They have issued recalls for a quarter of their sold cars...
The fanboys parrot the OTA thing like that is an acceptable error rate.
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OrdyNZ t1_ixx507y wrote
Try actually reading these the links. All these 'recalls' are software updates.
Unlike other manufacturers who actually have to have a full recall for issues like this.
taterthotsalad t1_ixx5fkp wrote
I’m going off what is printed in the news. I get this is a software update. That’s the problem. Old school works for a reason.
SammyGReddit t1_ixx7s9k wrote
The future of Twitter
rainforestparadise t1_ixxa1li wrote
Nah you’re just in the minority that’s all. Tesla’s are terribly built and it’s very common knowledge at this point.
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Cpl_Hicks76 t1_ixxbdge wrote
If it was a recall on faulty indicators, would’ve been for naught, as no one bloody well uses them here anyways!
TheNewMeYouHaventCN t1_ixxcn0c wrote
Because they rate cosmetic issues equally highly as mechanical. CR is a joke. Ask an owner how they like their Tesla.
TheNewMeYouHaventCN t1_ixxcrhh wrote
If you stick to reddit, sure. Go ahead believing these cars are awful when demand is astronomical. Us owners will continue to enjoy our cars.
rainforestparadise t1_ixxcwbx wrote
I don’t even really care, I’m just stating a fact that you could easily verify yourself.
redwall_hp t1_ixxds8u wrote
It's almost as if a simple mechanical switch and direct wiring is far more reliable than trusting a computer for no reason.
Signed,
A software engineer
SeaweedSorcerer t1_ixxfpow wrote
A mechanical switch that a human turns on and off? That sounds like a recipe for cars frequently running without their tail lights at all, or having them left on and the battery draining (okay not a huge risk with a Tesla as long as the big battery is powering them).
One of my cars has a mechanical switch for its interior lights and the only thing it’s reliable about is staying on until the battery drains thanks to my kids leaving them on. Give me software control with logic behind it, please.
balancedisbest t1_ixxgmzi wrote
It isn't our job to vet your hypothetical sources though. They replied with their personal experience as an owner of the car, and you just said in effect "nah they aren't" then stating it was a fact.
If you want some more personal nonowner experience, I haven't had any bad ones except the echo on the model Y. To actively discredit myself: my experience is from getting a ride in uber (MY, MS, MX, M3/E) and my friends vehicles (MS and M3/E), which is definitely not the same thing as owning and daily driving them.
unique_passive t1_ixxh8xa wrote
It’s so easy to vet though? Like a casual google will give you this answer, even from websites that are Tesla fanboy sites. The only real way to disagree with his point is to actively avoid learning about it
TheNewMeYouHaventCN t1_ixxhfpo wrote
LOL I knew it was CR. They rate cosmetic issues just as heavily as mechanical.
Go actually TALK to a Tesla owner. You'll find by and large they love their cars. Especially love bare minimum maintenance.
notallowedin t1_ixxi4yg wrote
Ok that’s one.
insipidgoose t1_ixxj990 wrote
Common Musk L
nyrol t1_ixxjdm5 wrote
Not sure what you mean by never ending repairs. Out of the 8 people I know of that own them, one has had one in for repairs, and that was due to a collision. So far, 0% of people I know have had problems which required a repair. They’ll nitpick that Spotify doesn’t load sometimes, or that the web browser on older cars is slow, but nothing about anything mechanical or even really buggy software.
nyrol t1_ixxk65w wrote
To be fair, Consumer Reports marks panel gaps and paint chips as reliability issues, which have been a huge problem in the past with Tesla. It heavily skews what people would consider as “reliable” since there are rarely any failures on the road.
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brennanfee t1_ixxkx9o wrote
It's an over-the-air software update... not a recall.
brennanfee t1_ixxkzjg wrote
> Second least reliable cars on the road are Teslas according to consumer reports.
Which is fucking bullshit.
unique_passive t1_ixxl1i8 wrote
I guess ignore the literal breakdown given of the issues in the CR and pretend like people don’t have valid concerns on the car.
I mean. body panels not lining up in a car that already has known water leakage issues? That’s going to compound the issue pretty harshly. The car is regularly not constructed with the correct seals??
If you can’t drive the thing in the rain it’s a sack of shit car, I’m not sure what is so hard to get about that.
GreatBigJerk t1_ixxlfcp wrote
The fact that things can be fixed via a software update is awesome. The fact that Tesla is apparently using its customers as QA for their beta cars is not.
balancedisbest t1_ixxlgof wrote
See the thing I don't understand is how you and a couple other people in this thread say there's these big, huge, irredeemable issues, yet the cars have been tested by many countries safety authorities and given quite high marks. And even if you didn't believe those, you hear almost once a week that a Tesla saved some driver or passenger from a potentially fatal wreck.
Yes of course there's some big issues with Tesla's (autopilot not being an autopilot, driver assisted modes not seeing obstacles, etc) but safety from a pedestrian and passenger perspective? Not even close. The most unsafe I've ever felt in a Tesla has been always due to the driver, not the vehicle.
unique_passive t1_ixxmrmc wrote
I have literally never heard a news story of a single Tesla feature or characteristic being a positive, especially not that it being a Tesla “saved someone from a potentially fatal wreck” until today. Thought I’d try and work out what you weee talking about with a quick search. And I’m a little bit chilled at the story, to be honest. The autopilot turned itself on after a collision? What if the driver had lost consciousness, or had actually managed to navigate through the crash safely? Like you’re saying, autopilot has massive issues with it. I wouldn’t consider it a good thing that the autopilot turns itself on after a collision until autopilot actually works properly.
The features I’ve read about from ratings of the car are that aside from the model 3, the cars aren’t water tight, they’re incorrectly sealed, and the body panels don’t line up correctly, leading to greater risks of water damage and flooding. Car can perform as great as it likes, I’m not driving something that will get damaged by rain. But that’s just the CR, I guess. Anecdotal evidence is better according to the weird replies people are giving.
rainforestparadise t1_ixxoyef wrote
Classic simpleton taking anecdotal evidence and trying to use it to argue on the internet where you can literally just do some research yourself.
Cimexus t1_ixxr3vi wrote
Old school cars get minor recalls like this all the time. Often times you don’t even know about it because they just address it next time you take it in for servicing. My Honda Accord has had a couple in the last few years, and they are considered generally reliable and safe cars.
Tesla just gets more media attention than most cars for whatever reason. Sure they aren’t the most reliable things ever made but I’ve got a few friends with one and they’ve had no issues. Besides there’s plenty of people who like car brands that aren’t known for their reliability: Fiat, Jaguar, whatever. Some people just like the cars even if they are troublesome compared to a Toyota or a Honda.
4chanbetterkek t1_ixxsm61 wrote
Because hating Tesla is all the rage right now
bitbot t1_ixxz1og wrote
Yeah but is GMs CEO scum?
AbbreviationsDue7121 t1_ixxz67h wrote
At this point should we start listing the parts on the car that haven’t been recalled?
TheSnoz t1_ixxzgap wrote
Dealers hate doing software updates to modern cars, they can take hours and can tie up service bays. They'd rather do easy money makers like oil and filter changes.
Tomcatjones t1_ixxzo4p wrote
Of course they do. And unlike Tesla’s over the air updates. 90% of all recalls ever go unfixed, and unattended to.
Ford has the most vehicle recalls of all time, with 3,086 unique recalls. The runner up is Chevrolet, with almost a thousand less at 2,127. Four out of the top six recalled vehicles are from American manufacturers. The Ford model with the most recalls is the F150, with 115 unique recalls
ford has the record for largest recall in history. The Pinto. For a flaw they knew existed prior.. rear end collision would puncture the fuel tank and causing it to ignite.
This flaw had been attributed to 27 deaths (those recorded and investigated) …an internal memo showed not only did for know this issue before manufacturing. But the fix would have been $11 (1971 the pinto was released)
This should highlight how small and inconsequential a over the air update recall is compared to how the legacy automakers have been not only in the past but still to this day have large recalls.
myurr t1_ixy17ih wrote
Bigoted: Obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Seems pretty accurate for the situation. Are you sure you know what it means? Being a bigot is unrelated to racism, even if the two sometimes go hand in hand.
You know nothing of my personal circumstances. I could easily buy a Tesla should I want, and test drove one when choosing my current car but opted to spend more on a different brand.
I even point out some of the many reasons to criticise Tesla in my previous post, as well as patiently explaining why this it's counter productive to criticise them in this specific instance. Yet you choose personal insults in reply whilst completely misrepresenting what I said...
JKJ420 t1_ixy5anu wrote
> I’m going off what is printed in the news.
Negative articles get buys/clicks. Other car companies advertise in those news sources, so they artificially limit the number of negative articles. Tesla doesn't advertise, so it's a free for all.
Steinrikur t1_ixy5rx0 wrote
As much as I don't like Tesla, calling a SW update a recall is a bit of a misnomer.
The cars don't need to be shipped back to the factory for repairs, they just need like 5 minutes of Internet access.
Steinrikur t1_ixy60j4 wrote
Free supercharging seems to be pretty sweet. I worked on fast chargers for 4 years (Mostly CCS/Chademo), and the one thing that I didn't like about the thing was how expensive it was. Cost per km is higher than petrol if you only use fast chargers.
Steinrikur t1_ixy63by wrote
poke133 t1_ixya2mu wrote
mass manufacturing is hard. software adds a new layer of complexity on top of it.
one year ago Hyundai and Kia had this blunder: Hyundai And Kia Are Recalling 550,000 Vehicles For Flashing The Wrong Turn Signal
of course no one posted it on /r/technology as with most non-Tesla recalls..
Riaayo t1_ixyem13 wrote
You have to actually be able to produce cars that can meet demand regularly to think about making fucking model year cars lol.
Tesla is an over-valued joke.
Timbershoe t1_ixyfll0 wrote
Do YoUR oWN ReseArCh.
Classic.
You think first hand experience isn’t as valid as some meme on social media you class as ‘research’.
Teamerchant t1_ixyfvve wrote
well for the few months i did pay, it was about $0.21 or $0.27 a kw. Basically i could go from 10%-90% for about $15. So for $15 i would get about 280 ish miles, not too shabby. Not sure what superchargers go for for now.
Harry_the_space_man t1_ixyh5bj wrote
She claimed that GM is making the most EVs in North America if you exclude all pandemic related issues. That Q GM sold 42 EVs and tesla sold 250,000
DonQuixBalls t1_ixyi47a wrote
Always with the homophobic slurs. Retire it.
DonQuixBalls t1_ixyicv0 wrote
Her name is Mary Barra, and yes, she's an absolute piece of shit. If you care about worker pay and worker rights, don't buy a GM.
DonQuixBalls t1_ixyin2k wrote
>They have issued recalls for a quarter of their sold cars...
Really? Fuck that's low! Ferrari recalled every car made since 2005. Rivian too. 25% is amazing.
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DonQuixBalls t1_ixyiug9 wrote
EVs rarely burn regardless of brand. Whoever told you that knew they were lying.
DonQuixBalls t1_ixyj029 wrote
They're funded by the Ford Foundation.
DonQuixBalls t1_ixyj3rp wrote
What is it about you people that forces homophobic slurs into every conversation? Find yourself. Just don't do it in public.
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Plzbanmebrony t1_ixymqzb wrote
That is why they are building multiple new factories.
Steinrikur t1_ixyn3o1 wrote
Woah. Right now it's € 0.74 per kWh. So those 280 miles are around €50.
At €7/gallon of petrol, your mileage needs to be approx 40mpg or better to be cheaper with an ICE (Oil changes and other factors not included).
londons_explorer t1_ixyoyde wrote
Lots of cars never get internet access at all.
Lots of owners can't be bothered to connect their car to WiFi. They just want to drive it places.
Those cars will never get this update, and will continue to be a risk to other drivers and the public.
muffinhead2580 t1_ixyr3z3 wrote
Have done so. A good friend of mine has an S plaid and said it has been in the shop or had mobile service more times than the rest of his cars combined. He likes driving the car but really, really wishes it was more reliable and the fit and finish was better.
Other manufacturers are going to be pushing tesla out of 5he market because they can actually manufacture reliable, good quality cars.
Steinrikur t1_ixysihc wrote
That's exactly who this "recall" is aimed at.
Last time there was a Tesla "recall" it came with the story that this update had already been applied on 95% of the vehicles affected.
TheNewMeYouHaventCN t1_ixz4qvr wrote
Compare Tesla numbers against EV sales for the major established manufacturers.
It takes time to ramp up production and Tesla is doing very well. Sorry if that doesn't fit your narrative.
AssassinAragorn t1_ixz81ah wrote
> Ford has the most vehicle recalls of all time, with 3,086 unique recalls. The runner up is Chevrolet, with almost a thousand less at 2,127
Hang on, this isn't really a fair comparison. With how long Ford and Chevrolet have been around, of course they're going to have more recalls than Tesla if we're looking at the total number.
At the same time, it isn't fair to just pick a year interval and compare the two, because Tesla is still a bit of a new product. You'd need to compare it versus the first decade for Ford and Chevrolet. If however we consider Tesla to now be a mature product, taking total recalls from 2020 to present would be valid.
Anyway all of this is pretty pointless. Honda and Toyota remain leagues above all these others. If I want a reliable car with a good track record and solid manufacturing, I'm buying one of those two. It's a shame that Tesla appears to be more comparable to Ford and Chevrolet than to Honda and Toyota.
Badfickle t1_ixz9n5u wrote
Meanwhile Ford recalls 1/2 Million cars because of fires breaking out and there's crickets on this site.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/25/business/ford-escape-bronco-sport-recall/index.html
Badfickle t1_ixz9x7e wrote
And ford is recalling 1/2 million cars because of actual fires breaking out.
ShirBlackspots t1_ixza4fd wrote
Blame the NHTSA for this, all resulting from allowing owners to pipe their own sounds over the sound box, NHTSA decided that every small fix has to be a recall, so Tesla is taking full advantage of that.
Badfickle t1_ixza6me wrote
https://datahub.transportation.gov/dataset/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn
Look at the list of recalls by manufacturer.
Badfickle t1_ixzbmxb wrote
Look at the list of recalls from all manufacturers. You wouldn't know it from this astroturfed site but tesla is on the low side of recalls and most of them are mild.
https://datahub.transportation.gov/dataset/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn
Badfickle t1_ixzbxps wrote
You see news about Tesla's recalls because of astroturfing. GM had to stop manufacturing the bolt for 9 months a couple years ago because of fires.
https://datahub.transportation.gov/dataset/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn
Badfickle t1_ixzc8y6 wrote
Anti-tesla astroturfing.
SpikedBladeRunner t1_ixzcjd7 wrote
The majority are quick software updates that go out even before the government required notice. Only a handful have been actual recalls and it's certainly no more than any other manufacturers.
brennanfee t1_ixzhuss wrote
From the article OP linked:
> Model 3 and Model Y light issue can be fixed with software update
Teamerchant t1_ixzl24m wrote
Those are some crazy energy prices! But Europe is going brought some shot with Russia so hopefully once everything settles and dependencies for energy from les stable countries is fixed those prices can come back down.
Steinrikur t1_ixzn8vw wrote
Let's not pretend this is the only issue
brennanfee t1_ixzrqa7 wrote
> Let's not pretend this is the only issue
No. But Tesla's are, by far, the most reliable vehicles currently being manufactured. Consumer Reports is again using "recalls" like simple software updates as a metric when they shouldn't be.
This is the problem with most current media on this topic. The concept of a software update that fixes something that the owner wasn't even aware was broken... versus having to take your care in for physical service and possibly lose the use of your vehicle for a few hours or even days are two entirely different consumer experiences.
OTA software updates need to be placed in a separate category from traditional "recalls". In fact, there are some good metrics we could track on software updates... for instance, how long from identification of problem to roll-out of software fix. That would be a good metric to track.
Steinrikur t1_ixzz9zq wrote
I actually agree on that part. The consumer reports is behind a paywall so I didn't see the criteria they used.
My point was that they are indeed #2. Your reason s for calling it bullshit could have come a few comments earlier
brennanfee t1_ixzzyml wrote
> My point was that they are indeed #2.
Due to their bullshit criteria, as I said.
balancedisbest t1_iy08tyn wrote
>Thought I’d try and work out what you weee talking about with a quick search. And I’m a little bit chilled at the story, to be honest. The autopilot turned itself on after a collision? What if the driver had lost consciousness, or had actually managed to navigate through the crash safely?
Autopilot as far as I know, always concedes control to the driver, unless the driver is unresponsive. I recall only once hearing about autopilot taking over/turning on after a crash, but I don't remember the circumstances. Might have been the driver hitting the prompt due to the inertia? I haven't heard about that one since then though.
I don't think easily amendable issues like weather sealing and panel gaps count as "urgent safety concerns" though.
balancedisbest t1_iy0971j wrote
Imagine being unable to read about the very issues you keep bringing up. Elon might ^(absolutely) suck ass, but at the very least the dude can read.
manbearpyg t1_iy0adae wrote
So now we are going to re-upload the same story over and over again by splitting it up per country? This community has turned into a low effort dumpster fire.
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Bensemus t1_iy0eed0 wrote
And their fix doesn’t fix the leak. It just prevents the leaking oil/fuel from pooling where it can catch fire.
Bensemus t1_iy0evc6 wrote
So why is Ford recalling half a million cars for leaky spark plugs that pose a fire risk? Also their fix isn’t actually fixing the leak. It’s drilling holes in the bottom plate so flammable liquids don’t pool.
Tomcatjones t1_iy0ho75 wrote
I wasn’t using the amount of total recalls against them. someone asked if recalls were tracked per manufacturer. I gave examples of yes, they do.
recalls are mostly nothing. amongst all manufacturers. Of course there are the extreme cases like the Pinto. But It’s rare.
The F150 has the most recalls of any model vehicle. And it’s the best selling truck.
So again, my main point In showing all those figures is that recalls don’t mean shit lol for the legacy maker or tesla
unique_passive t1_iy0oqmp wrote
Never called that an urgent safety concern, so not sure why you’d throw some quotes around that like it’s something I said. It’s also irrelevant how easy you think it is to amend, I wouldn’t buy a car that you immediately need to put work into just to drive it in the rain. It’s a poorly designed car if it’s not fit for purpose.
Badfickle t1_iy14c2m wrote
astroturfing.
schrodingerinthehat t1_iy1es1m wrote
If you're defending Tesla's record by referencing Ford... no one defended Ford as a reliable manufacturer. Ford is the only one worse than Tesla.
People here are talking about how Tesla's constant recalls are not a problem, because they can do OTA.
windydrew t1_iy1havk wrote
I have 42k miles on my 21 Model Y and have had zero major issues. It's been the second cheapest car I've ever owned (Chevy Bolt was cheapest due to cheaper tires) and we've taken many long trips on it. Best road trip EV ever.
muffinhead2580 t1_iy1ik3j wrote
That great for you and I'm sure there are lots of people with similar experience. The inconsistency is a big part of the quality problem though. Buying a car shouldn't be like a box of chocolates.
windydrew t1_iy1izs0 wrote
There's a reason that lemon laws are a thing. Because every manufacturer has issues with consistency and quality at points in their history. It's just that tesla gets more scrutiny, mostly because of political views and how this country is right now.
T-Husky t1_iy1ucik wrote
Redditors are a pretty ignorant bunch.
Ask them to name what in their opinion are the 10 most evil companies and they can easily do it, then ask them to name these companies CEOs or board of directors without looking it up and you’ll get nothing.
Reddit hates Elon Musk because they read his name is headlines daily, because he has a presence in pop culture, and because he communicates directly to the public via twitter. They unironically love his companies (or sometimes hate Tesla due to consuming a steady diet of FUD by its competitors) but have convinced themselves that Elon Musk, the owner, CEO, in some cases lead engineer of these companies had nothing to do with their success, that he’s nothing but a phoney, a literal Disney villain who has been failing upwards for 2 decades out of sheer dumb luck and capitalism fuelled dark magic.
flower4000 t1_iy2d1vv wrote
I swear Tesla recalls more cars than twitter has users.
Riaayo t1_iy2dj5f wrote
No, you can compare the total cars produced of both. By this same "metric", compare the amount of internal combustion engine vehicles Tesla sells. Oh fuck it's 0? Oh fuck, Tesla doesn't sell those? Oh fuck, the other manufacturers didn't use to sell EVs either?
But apparently only Tesla gets some slack for "taking time to ramp up production". You know who else takes time to ramp up production of a new product? Literally everyone. Except the other manufacturers already have manufacturing capabilities, factories, and workforces.
Tesla is literally only profitable because it sells its carbon credits. It doesn't sell enough vehicles to turn a profit.
Now, here's the thing: that'd all be "fine" if Tesla wasn't valued with the likes of fucking Google and Apple on the stock exchange. That is the fucking problem. Tesla produces so few vehicles that it's not only less than its competitors, but it can't meet its own demand and can't profit off those limited sales. Yet it's not only valued higher than its competitors, it's valued with the likes of Google?
Yeah, sorry. The company is over-valued and I don't care what "narrative" you're here to peddle.
Riaayo t1_iy2dnuo wrote
I mean that's cool, why are they valued higher than competitors who actually meet demand right now?
Because the value is smoke and mirrors bullshit. The company is over-valued.
Plzbanmebrony t1_iy2dwwt wrote
They don't have legacy facilities to convert like Ford does. Having more demand than product is not always bad. It means they are basically able to have guaranteed growth by just expanding production.
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w0m t1_iy3gpt9 wrote
Anything safety related gets pulled via the cars built in 3g, user will be prompted to apply update in App or when they sit down in the car.
balancedisbest t1_iy9nx2c wrote
>Never called that an urgent safety concern, so not sure why you’d throw some quotes around that like it’s something I said.
Yup that's a my bad, confused two comments.
While I do agree that there shouldnt be a frequent (naturally, one or two lemons will slip through) issues that need addressing right off delivery, if it was just weather sealing or maybe a slightly squeaking door etc, I personally wouldn't let that stop my purchase.
WexfordHo t1_ixvz0in wrote
I’m as happy to shit on Musk and Tesla as the next guy, really the company is an overvalued joke making mediocre cars and Musk is scum…
…BUT. This is nothing.