Before clicking the link: what the fuck does this mean?

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So data could already be stored in DNA form. Each of the 4 acids being present in a strand of DNA being associated with digital data. Just build a stand of DNA encoded with that digital data. Now, they have found a way to alter sections of that DNA like you can change digital data.

Tim and Eric explosion meme. Thank you

DNA = nature’s massive data storage

If you click on article you’ll read:

<<…They are experimenting with a new approach using enzymes and artificial neurons and neural networks for direct operations on DNA data.

Specifically, the researchers have made use of the reactions of three enzymes to design chemical “neurons” that reproduce the network architecture and ability for complex calculations exhibited by true neurons. Their chemical neurons can execute calculations with data on DNA strands…>>

G, C, A, T versus only two elements 1 and/or 0 .... which is greater, 4 or 2 in terms of combination? If you can do quizellionaites (yeah, I made it up but point being the expansion of 1 and 0 to the billions ... this is a serious freaking game changer.

But I no longer know what the game is about.

I read years ago humans are basically biological technology! Brains= computers, Eyes = cameras, Muscles = hydraulic movement

We are literally biological structures with an amazing technological structure.

DNA doesn't have digital data. It's literally the opposite. (as in Biological)

Interesting way to say that you don't understand what digital is

This does seem chill, not discrediting that. How is this not just CRISPR with extra steps?

So they built a DNA computer?

I also don't understand what digital means in biological structure.

Project Palix

Finally get that song thats stuck in my head out.

Sadly i only have the obd 1 port.

-puts Caramelldansen in my DNA like a Spotify QR code-

Digital is basically, like a light switch, on or off, which is shown as 1 and 0. This strung together can represent numbers 0 to 9, every letter of the alphabet and special characters.

DNA is made up of 4 chemical bases, which are represented by the letters: A, C, G & T.

Now if you you use the base of 4 (A, C, G & T) instead of a base of 2 (1 & 0), you can effectively use the DNA structure to represent what binary represents, just way more efficiently. A bit like the use of Qubits in quantum computing.

Soooo… the difference between binary, normal computers and quantum computers, right? But maybe one level above because instead of 1 and 0 in both their possible stages ( so four total) it’s 1, 2, 3, and 4, in all their possible combining states

Yarp. Though afaik, it can only be used for storage, not processing, unlike QC

Well, obviously it processes. Otherwise we wouldn’t exist. We might just not have figured out an artificial process for such expressions

When I say processing, I mean the calculations that current silicone chips carry out that ultimately manipulates something electronically, not biologically processing DNA information.

We don't have any sort of interface for that........ Yet

Crispr is just messing with a single beings dna. This is read write where anything can be stored. I’m assuming they have a specific language cuz tgac is different than 1 and 0. So you could have all of humanity’s published information on some amount of dna and it’ll only take up like a thimble. AFAIK, crispr is just like adding in a gene or deleting a gene. It’s not even writing for a person to grow wings or something. Much more basic.

So writing on your arm doesn’t work?

Probably just encode the 1s and 0s into tagc. In pairs. That's the beautiful thing about binary.

At this point it wouldn't surprise me at all if the old science fiction idea that aliens created our race simply to store information for themselves that they could extract millions of years later turned out to be true.

It means humans are about to make some gnarly mosnters now

Life is the most advanced type of technology in the universe

Blood Music

I think with DNA, it's still base-2, since you have to combine two letters together to make a single bond in the chain.

"shit, guys the hard drive figured out how to mutate itself on purpose, what do we do now?"

Looks at Ein from cowboy bebop

No. We want to be Severed.

I thought this too. But recently I came upon a counter argument that humans tend to describe things with the most advanced technology available to them at the time.

If we go back to the past, most things were described as transcendental, spiritual and natural in order to explain physical reality. Even though we know the Antikythera mechanism is 2000 years old, humans have not described the world as machinery or computers until recently.

It may seem obvious we will continue this trajectory of technological advancement. But we cannot say for certain what new means will be adopted into technology to achieve better understanding of the world around us. As such, we may use different descriptions for physical reality and change our understanding completely to a combination that emphasis less on computer systems.

Everything is just an information system within a bigger system of information. It would appear obvious to me that we’re reverse engineering to get the answer of how the world works by stopping at our current understanding and believing it’s the final answer.

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Someone did downvote you, but honestly yeah. Look I was an atheist and now I’m agnostic - I don’t say there is or isn’t a God, but I am fairly certain there is a “creator”. I don’t think it’s a religious thing, more so a cause and effect thing. Science currently tells us something cannot come from nothing. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is not impossible that there was an initial force of energy that caused the Big Bang and had this space we call reality good to go.

Whether it was sentient, whether it was humanoid like us, whether it had a physical form at all - we don’t know. Personally the farthest I’d go to say there’s a creator is that there was a force that led to our existence. That’s it. Whether it can hear prayer or answer questions is unlikely. But whether it caused existence itself? Whatever it is? To me it’s almost certain.

Even with simulation theory, it requires an entity to have initiated the beginning of the simulation.

Even with the Big Bang, it requires an initial burst of energy to initiate that.

Even with religion, it required a creator to do those things.

Even with stone cold rational science, “every action has an equal and opposite reaction” that law should apply to our very existence itself. Something caused it. We don’t know what. I personally call it “God”. I don’t think it’s a person. Just a force, nothing more.

First, try repartitioning and formatting it. If that doesn't work, smash it with a hammer and throw it away.

There’s no “digital” data on DNA. You mean it’s beepin and tweetin for the op lol

Soooo basically dna blood tests have been manipulated from the start.? Just turn off that bogus axx child support so I can be great in life already

Protect this Redditor at all costs

Meat machines, if you will.

You’ve not come across the infinite regress argument yet? So if there must be a first cause, ie the Big Bang needed a “creator”, who created the creator, or what was it’s first cause? And if he/she/it doesn’t need a first cause (usually what religious types will say at this point of the discussion) then why the exception, ie why doesn’t the creator need a first cause but the universe does?

I am amazed at how much sci-fi in Star Trek later became reality.

In the Star Trek: Enterprise pilot, there was a Klingon courier who needed to be taken back to his home world. It turned out that the data he was carrying was stored in his DNA.

Doesn’t translation and transcription already do this with Okazaki fragments & tRNA?

My answer to that is a question - if something can continue in perpetuity, why does that mean it did not have a beginning? Can infinitely begin after a beginning? Where a line starts, why does that mean it has to end? For the ball to roll, it must at some point begin to roll. At least, in our version of reality.

We know in our reality, that things start, things continue and then things end. So the “what came before that” cycle that continues infinitely shouldn’t really be possible, because there must be a definite stop point according to our laws of logic.

However the endless question is interesting because - what did make “God”? And what made that? And is our reality the only reality? Is there a sea of failed universes with broken physics out there? Are there others just like us? It is boundless curiosity. But in truth, we will never know nor comprehend what created the creator - and the endless loop that follows - in its entirety. Because we are not equipped to truly deal with “infinity” - it is unimaginable.

My personal belief, is that space-time together with all matter and all concepts we associate with reality, had an origin point that existed beyond space-time. Where “infinity” might be a thought experiment here, but is a straight up “default” mode of the void out there. Time doesn’t move where space doesn’t exist. But where did the creator come from if it exists in the void? What made it? What if the creator is the void?

Do you see where I’m going with this? Probably not, because this thought process will lead one to insanity. Such concepts are unimaginable. We will never understand it. Because again, in our world, cause and effect is the name of the game. But out there, beyond the universe? We cannot even theorise, because we are only built to understand our own.

In short, my belief is that there’s a creating source that made everything. What is beyond that? I dunno, I can’t even think about it. It’s like a syntax error. In the bounds of our own domain, we can only say something created us. What created them exists beyond every physical law we know. Hence my brainstorming ends at what I see as the beginning of our reality, I cannot fathom the beginning of the creating force’s reality. It is beyond us.

Luckily for us, others are working very hard on it :)

Well, despite the flaw that one could always make that argument from a psychological point of view without addressing the content of the explanation, the bigger flaw in that criticism is that computers aren't just the current most advanced form of technology, they're universal simulators. No previous technology has that feature.

Computation is deeply connected with the laws of physics though the Turing principle. Any physical system can be simulated on a universal computer. It's not an analogy that brains are like computers. It's a deep principle of physics and computation which means that there isn't a different kind of machine that a brain could be.

Of course, knowledge is always conjectural, which means anything could be overturned someday. But what is one to do, in the absence of better explanations? One should take our best explanations seriously. Especially since denying the computable nature of the world breaks most other reasonable explanations we have.

I dont know enough about the process to be able to answer that

Essentially Okazaki fragments are codons (a combination of 3 Nucleic acids) that are replicated and produced over and over and later added to the lagging strand of DNA. During this process the codons are not all the same and it’s creating new data in a sense. Just I was just curious as to what the difference was because it’s very interesting

Find the frequency’s of (A, T, C, or G) and you’re a step closer

My man, if you think there is a "creator", then you are not agnostic. Lmao

Some background info regarding storing digital data as dna: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dna-the-ultimate-data-storage-solution/

https://www.science.org/content/article/dna-could-store-all-worlds-data-one-room

I'm not quite sure what that has to do with encoding digital data, since Okazaki fragments are, AFAIK, involved in replication of DNA and neither transcription nor translation, and are also complementary to the template DNA strand so no "new" data is really being created... I guess you could say that those specific 'bits' are being inverted, but I fail to see how this is linked to the article...

It’s also involved in cell proliferation which is why I wondered about new data. Because it does create new “data” and doesn’t just replicate from mRNA

Could you elaborate on how exactly it is involved in cell proliferation, in your perspective? I don't think we're on the same page here.

Because the codon that makes up Okazaki fragments are genes or new genetic information. I was wondering what the difference is between what our bodies naturally do to create new biological information compared to what this article refers to.

Let the new life form begin…

Stop playing God!

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CeNa is much more efficient, let's skip DNA

I’m not a creationist lol. When I say creator I mean a creating force. Did you read the rest of what I said? I’m as agnostic as they come.

Find the hidden messages in our DNA now lol

I only interface with a null modem cable.

Wait, the just figuring this out! Just kidding I have no idea what they're talking about