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merien_nl t1_iunl3ud wrote

If this really is about consumer rights and consumer safety, this news would not make me invest in Meta. If TikTok is banned, Facebook should also be banned or reformed.

It would also set a precedent. There is a face-off between Facebook and the EU. If a TikTok ban in the US is successful, the EU would definitely notice and be less hesitant to ban a major platform.

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pontiacfirebird92 t1_iunn3hv wrote

>If this really is about consumer rights and consumer safety, this news would not make me invest in Meta.

Makes me wonder if Trump and by extension Republicans are still mad at TikTok after users organized to snag so many tickets that there was almost nobody in attendance. They set up satellite stages, extra security, and everything too. And if your goal is to spread right-wing propaganda you want Meta to be successful so you want threats to them neutralized.

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whatchagonnado0707 t1_iunpj07 wrote

World's super fucked when moral battles are fought through proxy wars between Facebook and tiktok

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pontiacfirebird92 t1_iunqdal wrote

It's crazy. Nobody gave a shit about TikTok until that incident with the Trump rally. And they love to point out that TikTok has ties to China but totally ignore Zuckerberg selling user data to intelligence agencies in foreign nations for the purpose of using his platform to astroturf presidential candidates who will favor them politically and monetarily. At a distance the animosity toward TikTok seems to come from butthurt Trump supporters mad that users there said bad things about him, all things considered.

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thune123 t1_iunueoz wrote

As a lefty I think Tiktoks ties to China are super dangerous. I have avoided the platform for that reason. I agree Zuck has also made some shady deals and should have some level of restrictions on what he does with metas data. But to ignore Tiktok and the damage China can do with it just because the right doesn't like it is so petty and short sighted.

Also to say nobody cared until the trump incident is just ignorant. Tiktok has been a huge red flag since it blew up and people looked at the backend coding.

Also stop making this a left vs right issue. This is a nation vs nation issue and figuring out what influences should and shouldn't be allowed that have direct ties to other countries. Especially during a time where we are entering a technology cold war with China.

Hell, I could even argue this is exactly what China would want and how they can use tik tok to make it happen. Have people believe that Tik Tok is only an issue for the right and if you're on the left you should be all for Tik Tok. Which is pretty ridiculous if you really think about what you are arguing for.

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pontiacfirebird92 t1_iunwwq1 wrote

I think you misunderstood my point. TikTok and Facebook are cut from the same cloth and have the same issues. And I'm in agreement with you because there's some shady shit going on with TikTok which is why I also don't and won't get an account.

The problem is when you have a population of people who single out TikTok while forgiving other platforms that are as bad simply because they are critical of their favored politician. After the Trump rally incident he spoke out against TikTok and at that point it became a solid "left vs right" issue (like many of the normally non-partisan things Trump attacked with his rhetoric). Meanwhile Facebook was allowing straight-up right wing propaganda on its platform but that same crowd happily overlooked it. Call me ignorant but, like the Colin Kaepernick kneeling issue, it didn't have an uproar until Trump tweeted about it. And the uproar was clearly from the right-wing crowd. Again like the Colin Kaepernick issue it shouldn't be a "left vs right" issue but it is. Centered around Trump's ire at TikTok for messing up his rally.

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thune123 t1_iuo0d0q wrote

It's only a left vs right issue if that is the way you view it. I am pretty confident that most people have no idea that there is any left vs right augments when it comes to tik tok. Honestly, I had forgotten about the trump incident until you mentioned in your previous comment. I think you would be surprised by how removed the average person is from the online news cycle and political positionings that you see on news sites and social media. Of course the right is a more tribe based and tend to just believe whatever they are fed but I have never seen any pro tik tok right based protests or the left saying we should keep tik tok purely based on the rightwing distain for it. I could be wrong but I think you are over estimating how righteous people feel about tik tok based on their political affiliations.

I don't think I misunderstood your point, I was just arguing that on the larger scale, the issue isn't platform vs platform but nation vs nation. If tok-tok was run by Canada I would have way less of an issue with it. Usa and China are currently in a technological cold war. There is a reason Biden just put a ban on certain type of chips being sent to China. It is because we are in an information war. Tik tok is very powerful tool in the in regards to that. At least with Facebook the government has some sort of power over the company. With Tok-tok they can't do much besides ban it out right.

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paceminterris t1_iuq34mu wrote

Congrats, you just let yourself get used by the US establishment propaganda machine. You can't really call yourself a "lefty" when your foreign policy opinions are directly given to you by the capitalist, warmongering establishment that holds both the Democrats AND Republicans in it's pocket.

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thune123 t1_iuqd8b9 wrote

Alright bud. I will live in my capitalist, warmongering US establishment propaganda machine and you go live in China. Let me know how that utopia of freedom goes.

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sneakywill t1_iunsiyv wrote

I hate TikTok because it's a bunch of mindless garbage that makes you dumber and shortens your attention span. And it's a surveillance tool for China on top of that. Enough reasons for me to say fuck that garbage app.

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pontiacfirebird92 t1_iuntacw wrote

Not saying you're wrong of course but there's been Tom & Jerry, Loony Tunes, Spongebob, Newgrounds, Youtube, video games, and on and on for decades claiming the same thing so it's not a new argument. And apps used as surveillance tools predates TikTok and has been happening ever since we've had devices capable. So the focus on TikTok seems more politically motivated than they want to admit.

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bravejango t1_iuo1nk9 wrote

TikTok is what you make of it. Follow the accounts you want to see and it filters out the bullshit. My feed is filled with authors, scientists, social activists, musicians and only fans creators. I don’t get tide pod challenges or other stupid ass shit. It isn’t filled with teenagers or right wing bullshit.

The algorithm will give you what you want to see you just have to use it to allow it to filter what you want. It knows what you want by what you interact with through likes, comments and shares.

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sneakywill t1_iuo5qy2 wrote

It shows you whatever keeps you coming back for more. The algorithm is designed to keep you swiping and to addict you to the small dopamine hits you get each time, regardless of what genre you end up with. Same As other social media platforms yes. It's all nefarious, but TikTok is the apitome of garbage addictive social media surveillance apps.

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Wdrussell1 t1_iunthgt wrote

I think the most hilarious part is how many people from the right-wing are anti-facebook when reality is has been a huge boon for them.

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pontiacfirebird92 t1_iunttsz wrote

>how many people from the right-wing are anti-facebook

The number of "Lets Go Brandon!" Facebook groups in my local area doesn't really reflect this.

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Wdrussell1 t1_iunu3e4 wrote

That's the icing on the cake. They use Facebook like crazy and then also keep calling Zuck a lizard and so many other things.

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Xi_Jing_ping_your_IP t1_iunpsnb wrote

What a poor way to frame the issue. The "pop" is the stock market reaction to a ban. Not the defacto action taken. People have livlihoods tied to the stock market and if you need a safe bet, well Meta is still around. Thats it. The people pushing for a ban is not the same demographic "protecting" their money. Its not an either or situation. Its a cluster of interests.

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jsting t1_iunyzfd wrote

I figure it's more of a national security concern rather than protecting users.

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AmbitionExtension184 t1_iuo3ozs wrote

Meta isn’t owned by the CCP…. That’s a massive distinction that you are just choosing to ignore.

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rdldr1 t1_iupm9ax wrote

TikTok is an extension of the Chinese Communist Party. That’s a huge difference.

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throwawayadorno1 t1_iunuxua wrote

It’s not about consumer protection. It’s about protecting American billionaires and their companies from more innovative Chinese competitors.

Kinda like how NHTSB said Toyotas were unintentionally accelerating, when GM was heading towards bankruptcy in 2008. This problem would magically solve itself after GM and Chrysler were bailed.

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DaveFoSrs t1_iuo0z3o wrote

Imagine thinking that China ever operates in good faith

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