fibonacci16180 t1_iue7otj wrote on October 30, 2022 at 5:38 PM

Reply to comment by leto78 in Ford and VW Abandon the Self-Driving Road to Nowhere. Big story that with little fanfare by newleafkratom

ADAS levels 2 to 5 require exponential levels of investment, not linear in any way. Even the L2+ systems are pretty disappointing. GM had to scan the entire highway network to get their system to work, and Tesla’s and Comma.AI don’t work that well at all. Mercedes has a L3 system for the easiest use case (stop and go traffic on the highway). Waymo’s L4 seems like it works, but the fact that it’s in a controlled environment and they haven’t scaled the service after years of operation is pretty telling about the state of the technology. We’ve been “18 months away” from the promised land for a decade. As it turns out, AI is way harder than anyone thought.

keijikage t1_iufgi49 wrote on October 30, 2022 at 10:37 PM

Thoughts on the mobile eye solution? They seemed pretty good, barring the hardware costs.

I actually run openpilot, and I think it's fantastic as an adas for the cost

twowayhash t1_iugnenv wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:23 AM

Was one of the devs using Mobileye tech for a self driving car company. Never got it to work well. Traffic light detector was a 50:50 game. This was 4 years ago, not sure how good they are now!

CarsVsHumans t1_iugb8yy wrote on October 31, 2022 at 2:32 AM

What do you mean they haven't scaled? It looks to me like they are scaling exponentially. As is Cruise. Just come to SF and see how many AVs there are. The problem is we're still at the bottom of the S-curve, where you need to double several times over before it's noticeable at a macro level.

fibonacci16180 t1_iugoino wrote on October 31, 2022 at 4:36 AM

They’re testing. Rides are only open to the public in Phoenix, which has been the case since 2017. If the model was easily scalable, every city in the world would have it by now.