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Avangelice t1_iud888b wrote

Before some anti EV reditor comes, do know even ice cars goes boom in floods because we'll... Batteries

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funkboxing t1_iuddgn8 wrote

Any battery can ignite a fire but that isn't really comparable to a lithium ion battery fire. Addressing issues with EVs is how we make them safer, maybe knock off the pre-accusation of 'anti-EV' sentiment.

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axecrazyorc t1_iudfwbh wrote

No, no, NO! There can be no improvement because [thing] is already perfect! If you ever criticize [thing] for any reason it’s because you’re morally against [thing] and are a shill for [corporate entity or industry]!

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natophonic2 t1_iudp53w wrote

Yeah, the feels of being pro-nuclear but also thinking that Chernobyl and Fukushima were bad things and that fission waste disposal could be improved a lot.

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axecrazyorc t1_iudptc9 wrote

Feel that SO hard. What’s worse is you also have people on the OTHER side of the fence who believe one bad example of [thing] means all possible forms of [thing] must be bad. The actual anti-nuclear crowd who think all reactors everywhere are just Chernobyl. So the people with valid criticisms or ideas about how [thing] might be improved get shit on by both sides.

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irishmadcat t1_iudq9ub wrote

If the Japanese goverment can't ensure a safe nuclear power plant I don't trust my own "ah we accidentally forgot our own environment regulations and approved a motorway" goverment. I don't they thinkk that's unreasonable.

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axecrazyorc t1_iudth15 wrote

Then that’s not a criticism of nuclear power, it’s a criticism of of the government. Which is fully valid.

It’s also worth noting that the Fukushima reactor’s safety systems did EXACTLY what they were designed to do. The plant didn’t melt down, it flooded in a record-setting tsunami caused by the largest earthquake in Japanese history. Even then it caused 1 death from radiation poisoning and 13 non-fatal injuries. I’d say that’s pretty impressive all things considered. Hell, even the WHO said any increased risk of cancer due to radiation exposure was negligible, with radiation levels in the area being under 10 mSv over a lifetime, compared to 170 mSv from just normal background radiation.

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Dr-Beeps t1_iuemaxq wrote

The dumb Germans started shutting down their plants because of Fukushima. Stupid considering they don’t have earthquakes and no coastline to speak of.

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axecrazyorc t1_iuenliq wrote

r/mildlyinfuriating material, that. Imagine Americans suddenly having a debilitating fear of geothermal after a volcano in Hawaii…

Actually I can 100% imagine that happening if politicians put the right spin on it. Probably say something about Yellowstone. Iirc that’s how it went in Germany; politicians with fossil fuel ties hit the ground running and drove a panic about how “DaNgErOuS” nuclear power is. And seeing as how the average person of any nation has as much sense as a goose, and only get stupider the more you group together, it wasn’t hard to convince them that every reactor in Europe was a hard rain from glassing the entire continent.

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Exshot32 t1_iudcta3 wrote

That and of course oil, gas, and other fluids now leaked into the environment.

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ChairliftGuru t1_iue719n wrote

The amount of energy stored is vastly different. EVs still have that standard battery as well so I dont really even understand your point. It just seems like you want to preemptively pick a fight.

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psyon t1_iuf8a9d wrote

Huh? I grew up along the Mississippi River, and have been through a lot of flooding on it and the tributaries in my area. Don't recall any car fires from floods.

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BoricPenguin t1_iue2t2l wrote

Did you know there's different types of batteries and you for some reason want to cover up this problem...

Batteries catching fire is actually a real fucking problem for EVs! They're massive and extremely hard to put out unlike a ICE car.....

Why care you trying to act like this isn't a problem when it is.

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strcrssd t1_iuex4g7 wrote

Because the incidence of fires is very low compared to combustion vehicles.. That said, putting them out is more difficult. The problem is that socially, people over inflate the danger of EV fires and make people shy away from them when they're the best short to intermediate term solution we have for climate change.

It's not covering up the problem, at all, it's stopping the fear, uncertainty and doubt train spread by people who don't like change and/or profit from oil and gas extraction/combustion. It's acknowledging all the facts, good and bad, over short and long term.

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Dr-Beeps t1_iuemjmt wrote

The fire brigades in the Netherlands actually are testing with big containers with water to lift the burning EV car in. They just drown the car.

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strcrssd t1_iuex7qr wrote

Yeah, this is a good approach that I hope both works and catches on.

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