Submitted by 0wed12 t3_yemq7v in technology
alienlizardlion t1_ityxevq wrote
Reply to comment by wubbbalubbadubdub in TSMC says efforts to rebuild US semiconductor industry are doomed to fail by 0wed12
It’s obviously Taiwanese propaganda, if they lose the grip on semi conductor fabrication they lose a huge security clearance from the US.
Make no mistake, there are thousands of businesses that need ics and chips and will pay a premium. Someone will capitalize on that.
borgendurp t1_itz07e5 wrote
>clearance
Is clearance the right word here?
at_lasto t1_itz0tft wrote
Leverage seems more appropriate.
Gberg888 t1_itz0zv8 wrote
Protection is the right word. As soon as the us has that factory up and running and the proper people staffing and it's known its making the current gen chips and can make the next gen chips... the us has less of a reason to protect Taiwan...
Worth-Reputation3450 t1_itz4o1q wrote
I think keeping China from getting the best foundry company in the world is enough reason for the US to protect Taiwan.
Gberg888 t1_itziz58 wrote
As soon as that plant is up to snuff if China did invade I guarantee you'd see a US strike on the infrastructure of tsmc...
GetOutOfTheWhey t1_iu2kc4c wrote
I doubt there would be a strike. Bombing your allies even to prevent knowledge getting to the enemy is unpalatable.
So the alternative is probably a few kilos of plastic explosive lined inside the concrete walls.
Then chalk it up to an accident or miscalculation.
Kaionacho t1_itzl260 wrote
I not quite sure about that tbh. The US doesn't really want to go to war with China for obvious reasons.
I would say the US would more likely bomb all TSMC facilities to the ground, If TSMC is not needed anymore,
f0me t1_itz7ria wrote
Reducing China’s naval access into the greater Pacific remains a major reason
Deicide1031 t1_itzetk5 wrote
Not necessarily true. The states has a vested interested in maintaining an order, and if nations can just snap up countries liberally so close to say japan and South Korea it’ll bring up the question of whether or not the states is really still top dog and interested in maintaining order. It’s not just the chips.
pmmbok t1_itz99mv wrote
It will take decades before the better and always better ethos of tsm is internalized by a new player..
DjScenester t1_itzg3ko wrote
Source? Because I have a feeling in five years we will be good
morcantium t1_itzknsd wrote
His feelings? :p
pmmbok t1_iu1t9wf wrote
No source. Just an opinion. From life. It takes a while to build a culture of excellence.
saberline152 t1_itzg92h wrote
nah, keep in mind that US weapons need chips and if something were to happen during a conflict they now have their own ability to make the chips necessary. Look at how much it is hurting Russia just to not get the chips they need
CypripediumCalceolus t1_iu0kign wrote
Military chips are very different from competitive commercial tech. Military and aerospace use well-known older tech refined to always work even in the most terrible conditions. Tech from ten years ago is good.
Gberg888 t1_itzirtu wrote
Why do you think the US just passed the chips act? Why do you think there is a massive push to get chips made domestically in the USA?
It's so the usa doesn't have to rely on others to support the USA everything... economy as a whole, tech and developments of tech, and the military...
If the US doesn't have to ship it in and import it then it saves money and is much better protected from a military conflict as we are seeing now.
The added benefit is that Taiwan, as much as the US loves it, is at odds with a much bigger trading partner and the other global power, atleast in paper. Removing tension by removing the US reliance on chips manufacturered there helps dramatically... to the detriment of Taiwan of course.
It removes a key point of need for the US paving the way to pull back ambiguity. I bet you'll see a true language shift in the rhetoric by politicians about the defense of Taiwan as soon as that plant is up and going.
"Dos equis" I guarantee it!
eiamhere69 t1_itzigf6 wrote
The waters surrounding Taiwan and other parts of this region are extremely important trade routes.
Not to mention, having a few fabrication plants up and running is not nearly enough to fulfil world wide demand.
The US fans are first and foremost are protection and deterrent, against China taking Taiwan soon. It's well known, this is there long time goal and will inevitably be acted upon at some point.
Taiwan know if they give up all fabrication (not that this can be done quickly), it leaves them wide open, so only a few fabs have been negotiated.
It's still a very long road. All he above is just a very, very rudimentary political assessment and doesn't even touch on the economics.
OccasinalMovieGuy t1_iu196oa wrote
Considering that the experts in such fields won't cross a few thousands, in case of an war, USA would already have plans to evacuate them. US intelligence can sniff out if Taiwan would be invaded and they can shift the experts to either Japan or Korea within days.
Smaggies t1_itzi8z9 wrote
Containing China is the US's primary reason for defending Taiwan. Leverage is more appropriate because Taiwan absolutely will not be losing US protection because of this.
JRizzie86 t1_iu03nqc wrote
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
For real though...it seems China IS coming for Taiwan, which puts the US at a difficult crossroads. If the US has their own means of manufacturing chips there is no doubt they will avoid direct conflict with China.
alienlizardlion t1_itz69uj wrote
Reading back I knew it wasn’t the right word but the context conveyed what I wanted so I was too lazy to go back. Security assurance is more like it.
manu144x t1_itzc1gc wrote
Assurance would be the best.
notrab t1_iu0yqzb wrote
Where do you think the US military gets their chips for advanced missel systems?
borgendurp t1_iu110oc wrote
What a relevant answer
Badtrainwreck t1_itzrpwy wrote
It’s hard to say if it’s just propaganda, The Taiwanese lead the market and they decide who gets the best, and if that knowledge and expertise is exported. They obviously have a a political reason to not give America everything it wants.
However us Americans have no stomachs for short term losses to achieve long term gain. If no one is willing to hold our hands through the billions we’d need to throw away just to play pretend chip maker then we will never get to the finish line of being not only independent but dominate. Participation is easy, but leading has a cost that not everyone is willing to pay
alienlizardlion t1_iu22rv3 wrote
Great points
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