Theyna t1_iu9m6e2 wrote on October 29, 2022 at 5:04 PM

Reply to comment by aaabigwyattmann3 in Microsoft’s first median pay report shows racial gaps in top jobs by AP24inMumbai

"Microsoft is at pay parity when comparing women and people of color doing equal work with men or white workers"

Are you dumb? They need to increase the # of minorities in higher ranking positions, not pay lower level positions more.

dudeedud4 t1_iu9rfjz wrote on October 29, 2022 at 5:41 PM

So put them there because they are minority? LOP No. You get put if yku are a good fit for that role. Sure you can say i'm ignorant, but that doesn't excuse that news agencies are increasingly putting this type of non-issue in headlines to drum up race baiting.

BarrySix t1_iu9ned6 wrote on October 29, 2022 at 5:13 PM

You are proposing equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. The difference is pretty significant.

MyPacman t1_iuakywh wrote on October 29, 2022 at 9:11 PM

Being on the rung below is not equality of opportunity.

When the outcome regularly has the guy who works 80+ Hours, goes golfing with the boss, or has some other 'in' to socialising with him, then that is not equality of opportunity.

BarrySix t1_iucjx75 wrote on October 30, 2022 at 8:26 AM

Sadly it's not simple to measure equality of opportunity. You can't say "there are fewer male nurses therefore there isn't equality of opportunity".

It's very easy to measure equality of outcome, which is why it's so common to use it as some kind of proxy for equality of opportunity.

sirbruce t1_iu9s120 wrote on October 29, 2022 at 5:45 PM

> They need to increase the # of minorities in higher ranking positions.

Do they? Even minorities are being paid the same as majorities at every level, then the only reason for the overall pay disparity is that there are more majorities employed than minorities. Which is going to be true for as long as they are minorities. Why should they be represented disproportionally relative to overall population?

Theyna t1_iu9u5um wrote on October 29, 2022 at 6:00 PM

"In 2020, Black men and women accounted for 5.6 percent of executives we identified. But despite finding 56 Black executives in 2021 vs 38 in 2020, the percentage dropped to 4.5 percent. The overall U.S. population is 13.4 percent Black, according to the Census Bureau.

We also identified more executives who were either Hispanic or Asian. They accounted for 6 percent of executives in 2020 and that number rose to 7.1 percent this year. U.S. Census Bureau identified 5.9 percent of the U.S. population as Asian and 18.5 percent as Hispanic or Latino"

https://washingtontechnology.com/2021/06/top-100-diversity-shows-little-improvement/359301/

They are NOT represented proportionally relative to the overall population. 4.5% Black executives to 13.4% of the population. 7.1% Asian/Latino executives relative to 24.4% of the population. 26.7% Women executives to 50.8% of the population. Would you like me to go on?

sirbruce t1_iua20yu wrote on October 29, 2022 at 6:56 PM

Yes, I'd like you to go on. Even if Blacks were 13.4% of each level of pay, there would still be an overall pay disparity. So I'd like you to explain what you would suggest doing at that point.