indoninja t1_itwl9bw wrote on October 26, 2022 at 8:51 PM

Reply to comment by pab_guy in EXCLUSIVE Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims by ThisIsNotCorn

Taking Weird turns and creeping is dangerous.

> So it's actually crazy good at what it does, is actually pretty damn safe

It’s moronic to make that claim a week after getting it, while also, recognizing, they had to shut it off due to certain sun angles

> they are brilliant in getting their customers to beta test and contribute to their self-driving AI. I feel like I'm doing Tesla a service by supervising it's AI, but I also don't mind 'cause the tech is just amazing to watch.

It’s morally bankrupt to charge people premium for a beta test when they’re putting out information that encourages you to risk your life doing it.

tango797 t1_itwoag2 wrote on October 26, 2022 at 9:11 PM

>encourages you to risk your life doing it.

And other people's too

m0nk_3y_gw t1_ityf0lv wrote on October 27, 2022 at 5:41 AM

> and creeping is dangerous

Nonsense. Not creeping is dangerous.

You come to a complete stop at a stop sign. You can't fully see if the path is clear in all directions. Only a moron guns it instead of creeping forward to get a better look.

edit:

> It’s moronic to make that claim a week after getting it, while also, recognizing, they had to shut it off due to certain sun angles

That's some small peepee energy to stoop to personal attacks because you fail to see the value of a system knowing it's current limits and doing the right thing. Be better.

indoninja t1_ityvwgr wrote on October 27, 2022 at 9:35 AM

> Nonsense. Not creeping is dangerous.

In the context of weird stops and unpredictable moves, it is.

> That's some small peepee energy to stoop to personal attacks because you fail to see the value of a system knowing it's current limits and doing the right thing.

You realize thy let people drive for months with the sun at low angles, causing accidents right?

If they “knew the limits” they wouldn’t have so many clear lies about its safety.

I think it is moronic to claim a system that clearly isn’t safe enough, that the company is clearly lying about is great. I think it is moronic to laud the company for putting life’s at risk by not being honest about it.

If that hurts your feelings do better.

pab_guy t1_iu07zt6 wrote on October 27, 2022 at 4:19 PM

You are writing from a position of ignorance. Clearly. The system is very safe, you have to be a complete moron of a driver not to see and hear the clear warnings and messages on the dashboard explaining what they system is doing, and it's very clear that you are not meant to use the system unsupervised.

You aren't making a data driven decision about what is safe, you are taking some vague descriptions and drawing blanket conclusions. You are looking at public statements and not what is clearly communicated to actual drivers.

In short, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

indoninja t1_iu0ag04 wrote on October 27, 2022 at 4:35 PM

> it's very clear that you are not meant to use the system unsupervised.

Tesla ads disagree.

> You aren't making a data driven decision about what is safe

Hmm nhtsa or some guy in the internet….

> You are looking at public statements

Public statements from the car company.

Edit-Whines that somebody is acting like a child, blocks them and runs away.

pab_guy t1_iu0bbd2 wrote on October 27, 2022 at 4:41 PM

Again, have you taken delivery of FSD? You have no clue what the people who actually drive these are told...

And you are acting like a child.

pab_guy t1_iu085m2 wrote on October 27, 2022 at 4:20 PM

Yeah this guy is clueless. All drivers creep for visibility. Safety and wierdness are not related concepts LOL.