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pab_guy t1_itwgg7a wrote

Just had FSD delivered to my car last week. It's freaky.

The only times I've had to disable it have been when I didn't want to annoy other drivers on the road, as it takes weird turns and slows down or creeps forward slowly, etc...

But otherwise it hasn't tried to kill me yet, and I've seen it navigate some nasty intersections and heavy traffic. It also disabled itself when the sun was low and shining right on the windshield.

So it's actually crazy good at what it does, is actually pretty damn safe (slows way down for pedestrians, etc...), but I don't think it will ever be 100%, at least as far as inclement weather and (apparently) the wrong kind of sunshine are concerned. My vehicle will never be a robo taxi LOL.

All that said, they are brilliant in getting their customers to beta test and contribute to their self-driving AI. I feel like I'm doing Tesla a service by supervising it's AI, but I also don't mind 'cause the tech is just amazing to watch.

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indoninja t1_itwl9bw wrote

Taking Weird turns and creeping is dangerous.

> So it's actually crazy good at what it does, is actually pretty damn safe

It’s moronic to make that claim a week after getting it, while also, recognizing, they had to shut it off due to certain sun angles

> they are brilliant in getting their customers to beta test and contribute to their self-driving AI. I feel like I'm doing Tesla a service by supervising it's AI, but I also don't mind 'cause the tech is just amazing to watch.

It’s morally bankrupt to charge people premium for a beta test when they’re putting out information that encourages you to risk your life doing it.

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tango797 t1_itwoag2 wrote

>encourages you to risk your life doing it.

And other people's too

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m0nk_3y_gw t1_ityf0lv wrote

> and creeping is dangerous

Nonsense. Not creeping is dangerous.

You come to a complete stop at a stop sign. You can't fully see if the path is clear in all directions. Only a moron guns it instead of creeping forward to get a better look.

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> It’s moronic to make that claim a week after getting it, while also, recognizing, they had to shut it off due to certain sun angles

That's some small peepee energy to stoop to personal attacks because you fail to see the value of a system knowing it's current limits and doing the right thing. Be better.

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indoninja t1_ityvwgr wrote

> Nonsense. Not creeping is dangerous.

In the context of weird stops and unpredictable moves, it is.

> That's some small peepee energy to stoop to personal attacks because you fail to see the value of a system knowing it's current limits and doing the right thing.

You realize thy let people drive for months with the sun at low angles, causing accidents right?

If they “knew the limits” they wouldn’t have so many clear lies about its safety.

I think it is moronic to claim a system that clearly isn’t safe enough, that the company is clearly lying about is great. I think it is moronic to laud the company for putting life’s at risk by not being honest about it.

If that hurts your feelings do better.

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pab_guy t1_iu07zt6 wrote

You are writing from a position of ignorance. Clearly. The system is very safe, you have to be a complete moron of a driver not to see and hear the clear warnings and messages on the dashboard explaining what they system is doing, and it's very clear that you are not meant to use the system unsupervised.

You aren't making a data driven decision about what is safe, you are taking some vague descriptions and drawing blanket conclusions. You are looking at public statements and not what is clearly communicated to actual drivers.

In short, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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indoninja t1_iu0ag04 wrote

> it's very clear that you are not meant to use the system unsupervised.

Tesla ads disagree.

> You aren't making a data driven decision about what is safe

Hmm nhtsa or some guy in the internet….

> You are looking at public statements

Public statements from the car company.

Edit-Whines that somebody is acting like a child, blocks them and runs away.

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pab_guy t1_iu0bbd2 wrote

Again, have you taken delivery of FSD? You have no clue what the people who actually drive these are told...

And you are acting like a child.

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pab_guy t1_iu085m2 wrote

Yeah this guy is clueless. All drivers creep for visibility. Safety and wierdness are not related concepts LOL.

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lostaccountby2fa t1_ity21ph wrote

Regarding your last paragraph. You’re paying $15,000 to do all of that FOR Tesla. FSD very well might not come out of beta way pass your ownership of your car. How does that make sense?

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pab_guy t1_itzc5g5 wrote

My dude, driving anything more than a basic vehicle doesn't make much economic sense at all, so we are starting from a point of gratuitous spend on "this is a cool tech car that's also very comfy and I feel like I'm in the future whenever I get in".

I'll take it a step further: I don't actually see much value in FSD. What they have that already works on the highways is probably good enough. I didn't pay 15K for it (the price has gone up) but you are right it's probably not worth it. I bought mine used and the only model available at the time had FSD so... I used that as my excuse :)

But my Tesla has actually grown in value since I bought it. I could sell for almost 30K more after almost two years.

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the_zelectro t1_itya4j3 wrote

Turns have been a software issue for a long time. Same with creeping...

I am shocked it is still an issue

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pab_guy t1_itzchho wrote

The creeping is on purpose and necessary due to side cameras being pretty far back (on pillars). Don't know why they didn't have side view cams above the front wheels, seems like that would have made things much easier.

But the turning thing where the computer can't decide exactly what to do and sort of waffles is very weird. My car can take the same turn, on the same road, on the same day, two very different ways.

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Vulcan_MasterRace t1_itwinhl wrote

Careful.... You may be downvoted by Musk haters and people who have never even sat in a Tesla before but think they know what FSD is and what it's capable of!

Source: own a Tesla as well with FSD

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pab_guy t1_iu06y2f wrote

It's amazing how people throw logic out the window just b/c hate LOL

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