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I_live_there t1_iubt3vf wrote
It was retired mid June...
Gurgiwurgi t1_iubt8ov wrote
I doubt they have any support contracts for IE 11... they're still paying for IE 6 support.
GrowsTastyTomatoes t1_iubtzh2 wrote
Good riddance. Best use was for downloading Firefox or Chrome after a new install.
Thebadmamajama t1_iubul9c wrote
Luckily we now have Edge for that. It really is an edge Lord.
KrangRangoon t1_iubwkw3 wrote
Internet Explorer is going to be so upset when it finds this out in 7 years.
missed_sla t1_iubwnr1 wrote
I know for a fact that some federal agencies and their contractors still require IE compatibility. Now, we're able to use IE mode in Edge, but it still uses activex and requires punching some ransomware-sized holes in security.
Spydrchick t1_iubwqu7 wrote
RIP IE 11, I never knew ye.
Long live Firefox
LostNTheNoise t1_iubx8v5 wrote
Thank God I have Netscape Navigator as my backup.
op-trienkie t1_iubxa5a wrote
“To many millions of you, thank you for using Internet Explorer as your gateway to the internet.” Literally yes I use it to dl Chrome lolz
Freds_Premium t1_iubxa65 wrote
You mean Netscape Navigator
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HeavensCriedBlood t1_iubxi2a wrote
Thank fuck. Working in IT with IE11 was a nightmare because it's so archaic nowadays.
a_Tin_of_Spam t1_iubxkt2 wrote
the amount of businesses, hospitals, shops and even governments who still use windows 7 if not an older windows OS is horrifying.
diiejso t1_iubxktu wrote
I had to support IE6 for way too long bc a government site we worked with would only function on it. We had a special VM just for using that website.
Abby-Someone1 t1_iubxqo1 wrote
It will never actually retire.
nezeta t1_iubxwzy wrote
As a web developer, IE has been always the most troublesome browser and I'm glad they're gone. I especially spent so much time in IE7/IE9, as my boss and clients asked me to support those darned stinkers.
...Now we have to deal with Safari that are equally erratic yet hold the biggest userbase. Worse, they're actually two (on Mac and iPhone).
MrZorg58 t1_iuby0n9 wrote
The US military still uses windows XP, and pays Microsoft for updates, ONLY they get.
IkouyDaBolt t1_iuby12o wrote
Of course, though the cake icon will retire tomorrow for 364 days.
hobokobo1028 t1_iubybxd wrote
Thank Fucking Christ
FoMoCoguy1983 t1_iubygd1 wrote
My government agency transitioned away from IE months ago in preparation for this. We use Edge
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JKUAN108 t1_iubyjg7 wrote
Happy cakeday
LookingForEnergy t1_iubz7ea wrote
As time goes on and less people use XP, would that make it more secure?
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Razzamanazz t1_iuc0si9 wrote
I have to support a few. I have an old but locked down server farm that has IE published as a remote app for people to use. It's not even close to the most screwed up ancient thing I have manage.
MisterGko t1_iuc0ut1 wrote
I’m still supporting windows xp at my job 🤦♂️
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googonite t1_iuc1kui wrote
security through obscurity antiquity
Helpful_Put_5274 t1_iuc1u3d wrote
I was working for a company that was still using Windows 3.11 for testing, when I retired 3 year's ago.
ZombieFrenchKisser t1_iuc20kf wrote
Lmao now we just have to make all of the applications in Edge run in IE mode.
touchytypist t1_iuc2fwe wrote
We standardized on Edge right before the IE retirement so it’s not even a blip on our radar. So nice only having to support and update a single native browser.
pi-N-apple t1_iuc2kja wrote
Internet Explorer has finally been pushed over the edge.
pi-N-apple t1_iuc2vz9 wrote
Because the article says its happening "officially" in 2023.
mishugashu t1_iuc320i wrote
Yes, back in June... why is this here? This was news months ago.
BubblyKombucha t1_iuc3rhn wrote
Eventually compilers for popular programming languages drop any support for Windows XP so new malware can't even be built that would run on it, unless the malware developers themselves ran 10-year-old obsolete versions of compilers... but then the program libraries they might depend on have also moved on and don't work w/ such an old compiler. On a long enough time scale, Windows XP could be safe from new threats arising. ;)
Rodville t1_iuc4b5i wrote
Then the title of this thread is a bit misleading the. Isn’t it.
prophetofthepimps t1_iuc4kf2 wrote
Not safe from State Actors though. Only non-state actors won't bother.
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CanIhazBacon t1_iuc5mif wrote
About fking time
Bigmuscleliker4566 t1_iuc5mrp wrote
Been a good ride 😂
Guac_in_my_rarri t1_iuc5p7t wrote
I work for an auto parts supplier who used IE until it died. Our outsourced/employed IT folk are losing their collective marbels because they're trying to find a browser of choice. IE was the gold standard to them, meanwhile the rest of us use chrome or Firefox.
Guac_in_my_rarri t1_iuc5r8e wrote
McDonald's used to do this. Now they don't get updates.
Guac_in_my_rarri t1_iuc5s48 wrote
Wait till you hear about the tax software the IRS uses....
Bleusilences t1_iuc5scc wrote
Activex what a fucking joke and waste of time that was.
Bleusilences t1_iuc5uxg wrote
Yeah, but for once, I kind of understand if the computer is running special software. It's ok as long as it doesn't connect to a network.
141_1337 t1_iuc5znq wrote
I'm guessing because state actors would have the resources to find such antique software?
drekmonger t1_iuc61bp wrote
Up until 2019 US military still had 8 inch floppy disks as an integral part of running nuclear silos. The software and hardware is still mostly stuff from out of the 70s.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/nuclear-weapons-floppy-disks.html
NanditoPapa t1_iuc6fxx wrote
FTA "Microsoft Edge Enterprise Internet Explorer 11 will be permanently disabled for certain versions of Windows 10 as part of the February 2023 Windows security update (“B”) release scheduled for February 14, 2023."
ImperialArmorBrigade t1_iuc6vnj wrote
I still have to use certain government sites that don’t work right in other browsers.
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Tweho OP t1_iuc7j9p wrote
The joke.mp4
Internet explorer being slow.
Andrethegreengiant3 t1_iuc8d46 wrote
It just found out
Andrethegreengiant3 t1_iuc8i5g wrote
Software? You mean stone tablets?
TDYDave2 t1_iuc8rl5 wrote
Can you give an example please.
Everything I have tried opens an Edge window.
Rodville t1_iuc94s4 wrote
I was trying to get my WiFi to work and the troubleshooter gave me a link to the website and it kept opening in IE but the page kept saying IE was no longer supported but it happened so fast I kept missing the link to try in edge. The troubleshooter wouldn’t let me right click on it just kept opening and IE kept changing the address in the bar to something/not supported before I could see the site it wanted me to go to. I gave up and went back to 10 as my pc wasn’t supported to begin with.
ValiantDan77 t1_iuc9uq2 wrote
Great, now I can forget about the large amount of time being spent having to run all the antivirus software because of internet exploder.
Owl_yeet94 t1_iucaazf wrote
Be quiet it doesn't know it yet...
Frijolez_Horchata t1_iucb2pp wrote
Comedy gold for a standing ovation move.
BigKittyNutz t1_iucbdhb wrote
The company I work for have a camera system that uses internet explorer to work properly. Now we're force to us internet explorer mode in edge which doesn't always work.
Afro_Thunder69 t1_iucbfyn wrote
Edge isn't so bad as a replacement, it's leagues ahead of IE. I recently got a netbook that's pretty weak...it didn't even run Firefox well. Runs Edge great though with all my same extensions and whatnot.
TDYDave2 t1_iucbipz wrote
Seems to be a user/machine specific issue and not a general Windows 11 issue. The wifi troubleshooter opens in Edge on my machine.
MrZorg58 t1_iucbrid wrote
hahahhaha, you don't know about airgap hacking LOL.
Alternative_Dish740 t1_iucchj1 wrote
It should have been force-deleted in an update and the screams for its reinstatement to be ignored.
Alternative_Dish740 t1_iuccqhe wrote
My father had to resort to deliberately wearing out a machine's hard drive and corrupting the backup image to get his job to finally stop using Winblows 95 for some obscure business software that a handful of suits refused to upgrade from.
Of course blame shit hit the blades hard but at that point he was actually sick enough of the nightmare of supporting those machines in an XP environment that he was willing to risk getting fired or worse to get rid of them.
Alternative_Dish740 t1_iuccsvo wrote
That is extremely rare compared to connected threats.
Alternative_Dish740 t1_iuccw7j wrote
Literally how my old Win 3.11 machine is safe when I dial up one of the few remaining BBS's for nostalgia. 32/64 bit programs cant run on it and so neither can any viruses.
LeoRidesHisBike t1_iucczrh wrote
Some amazing 20/20 hindsight there. When ActiveX was a thing the web was much less hostile. The concept of ActiveX (let devs use existing COM controls and native code to do "real software" vs the limited things JavaScript could do) was pretty cool, just didn't anticipate how many security risks were hidden.
We didn't get that same level of efficiency in browsers again until Web Assembly... 20 years later.
Native software is so flexible/powerful that's the only safe thing to do is completely isolate it from browser execution. But that wasn't well known at the time.
Alternative_Dish740 t1_iucd1vx wrote
Firefox sadly is such a bloated slow-ass memory hog now that the devs should be put in a pillory and pelted with rotten tomatoes.
iNyander t1_iucd5up wrote
Except Edge is integrated into Windows like cancer, and it cutting it out (even inside LTSC) is difficult without hacks.
Fancy-You3022 t1_iucdm8u wrote
QuickBooks Pro Desktop 222 is still dependent on IE Active X. Tried disabling IE on a computer as a part of the Hardening process and QuickBooks refused to run until I enabled it.
kenfagerdotcom t1_iucdsp8 wrote
Some day years from now my university will ask me to fire up Internet Exploder to save some obscure data file.
SylveonVMAX t1_iucdv9p wrote
or just write a compiler themselves
jasongw t1_iucehtw wrote
And more likely than not, it'll be disabled or reduced from all the systems currently running and it won't be possible ;)
kenfagerdotcom t1_iucejo9 wrote
Oh. I save every ancient computer I can.
jasongw t1_iucendn wrote
LTSC sucks ass. We've just finished purging that turd from our corporate network after some pinhead former systems engineer who still lives in 1998 deployed it to hundreds of machines.
Edge chromium, incidentally, is an excellent browser. Better than Google Chrome, in fact.
jasongw t1_iuceody wrote
Time to upgrade your camera system.
jasongw t1_iuceqi2 wrote
Ugh, I hate that they brought Henry Cavill back. Worst. Superman. Ever.
boraca t1_iucf5si wrote
winget install -e --id Google.Chrome
c0d3s1ing3r t1_iucg1r4 wrote
Safari still hasn't gone chromium based?
olssoneerz t1_iucgdse wrote
Our company still has to support IE11. The funny thing is that since its also no longer supported by Microsoft, Im also not allowed to have it installed locally.
I have to hop into a VM just to check if any changes I’ve done works on this pos browser.
ghoonrhed t1_iucgqoo wrote
I mean, kinda sums IE well doesn't it?
covidapocalypse t1_iuciybm wrote
Good this browser has been stumbling away from the grim reaper for eons. Only aided and abetted by fossil companies not upgrading their software Thats heavily depended on it.
Do not shed a tear. Put away your black suit/dress - this passing is good
jamhamnz t1_iucjl6l wrote
A bit like IE in the Win 98-XP days
iNyander t1_iuckmm8 wrote
Except IE wasn't spinning up pointless background tasks and services. You could also remove it via Add/Remove Programs.
Edge can't be disabled, and unless you clusterbomb the whole thing and rip it out of the OS, the service recreate the auto update scheduler tasks.
iNyander t1_iucl15w wrote
Sounds like your pinhead former systems engineer found a better offer with higher pay.
jamhamnz t1_iucl4f9 wrote
Wasn't Windows Explorer completely integrated with IE at one stage in Windows history?
AusomeOllie10 t1_iucmelm wrote
Now, when are they retrieving edge!
bwoah07_gp2 t1_iucn7rw wrote
The amount of times I heard this and seen this headline...
Marulok123 t1_iucni65 wrote
What do you think Apple would ever do anything to open up their ecosystem willingly?
gameleon t1_iucntin wrote
Doesnt Netscape Navigator predate IE?
bigpoppasmooch t1_iuco6nx wrote
How will I surf the web now?
teh_maxh t1_iuco951 wrote
> You could also remove it via Add/Remove Programs.
teh_maxh t1_iucoe25 wrote
Not completely, just enough to (unconvincingly) tell the Justice Department that it wouldn't be possible to ship Windows without Internet Explorer.
DutchBlob t1_iucowfp wrote
Happy cake day!
DutchBlob t1_iucoxer wrote
!remindme 7 years
MorninLemon t1_iucqfb0 wrote
I have bunch of 2000s and even 1 NT still.
imposter-syndrome84 t1_iucqwpd wrote
So long, childhood friend!
rackmountme t1_iucvveb wrote
It will only truly be gone when it disappears from my analytics 🥳
beautifulhell t1_iucwj7j wrote
This article was made on Internet Explorer
Deep_Ad_2633 t1_iucy001 wrote
LOL recycled news
error_404_n0t_f0und t1_iucy6rk wrote
Again?
LarxII t1_iucz2mf wrote
Was specifically made to kill it. Microsoft doesn't like competitors using their hardware.
diet-Coke-or-kill-me t1_iuczl1r wrote
Great explainer, thanks.
linuxgator t1_iuczor4 wrote
Yes, but OP was using internet explorer, so the page finally loaded.
beigetrope t1_iud2z5q wrote
You monster frisbee!
LeftOnQuietRoad t1_iud4jm4 wrote
IT HAD SUPPORT!!??!
OliverIsMyCat t1_iud5zbg wrote
Well if he had to go out of his way to break it, sounds like it was holding up just fine.
Remember, the probable function for your dad's job was to SUPPORT the computing needs of those suits. Of course he got shit for doing the literal opposite to make his own job easier.
Also, we're allowed to shit on IE. But Win95 was bomb.
ptizzle9 t1_iud6rcu wrote
I consult for two companies who use Microsoft Sharepoint. They both map their network drives. Microsoft only allows you to do this via Internet Explorer, no other browser works.
I fully support shutting down IE but why make stupid restrictions like this so that now people are out of luck.
derpoftheirish t1_iud732r wrote
The Federal Maritime Commission's online application portal, the only method to apply for authority to act as an Ocean Transport Intermediary in the USA as they no longer accept paper applications, only works in Internet Explorer. Any other browser and the site is unusable.
Inaspectuss t1_iud7h0k wrote
Nah, still WebKit.
Alternative_Dish740 t1_iud7vgq wrote
It was only holding up fine because it was given top priority the minute anything looked like it wasn't, at the expense of multiple other systems.
And every time something actually DID break it took exponentially more time to fix because of the antiquated, shaky software and slow-ass hardware..
I8wFu t1_iudbdto wrote
To other netsec ppls, I used IE to get to legacy services esp flash services like cameras. I was just on a test and the client had cameras up in a flash-based web browser and none of my modern browsers would play them.
I was pretty bummed until I found this little gem: https://github.com/radubirsan/FlashBrowser
gl fam
hobbykitjr t1_iudc4qa wrote
My son's xray this week was viewed on a really old IE
SkyNetIsNow t1_iudgpf0 wrote
They literally have employees typing data from paper forms into the computer for the paper tax documents they receive. Which is why they want people to file electronically. They are just exploring OCR options with no clean plans about if or when to use it in the future.
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AssignmentNo7214 t1_iudo52i wrote
IE is only retired for a few of the windows operating systems. Their lifecycle support article lists which OS are still supported, like Windows Server 2012 and 2016 R2. Those are still commonly used in large organizations who use virtual desktop software like Citrix.
dkran t1_iudoout wrote
Macromedia flash suffered from this a lot too. Who knew how badly browsers needed to be 100% sandboxed back then? Java Applets, OCX, Flash. I think I still to this day have a severe reservation about installing anything that can interact with the web browser. I don’t even like links opening apps
dkran t1_iudoxtn wrote
Yeah I got a letter or email from intuit explaining this a few months ago. I really don’t like the fact that one of the most major accounting software programs in existence is reliant on such legacy technology, but then again airplanes are still programmed with floppy disks
dkran t1_iudq5ae wrote
Hmm… I wonder how many windows 3.11 computers are still out there; maybe it’s worth writing one! I miss that clunky ms-dos overlay.
dkran t1_iudqd3n wrote
I’d recommend using chrome to download Firefox
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Keudn883 t1_iudqwze wrote
Just because the older software is working doesn't mean risks don't exist. If the software isn't supported by the vendor anymore you are just one problem away from a massive amount unrecoverable data loss. If the software is no longer updated against modern security standards then it's just a door waiting to be breached.
allegate t1_iudsno3 wrote
We have to use ie11 for a govIT-run webpage to request computer access. If you use edge or chrome it auto-opens ie11 for you.
UrbanGhost114 t1_iudx7tv wrote
That's a terrible decision for a business.
iyamyuarr t1_iudy95c wrote
It’s just getting the article to us now, internet explorer is trying its best
Edit: y’all can’t take a joke
Muddy-Steaks t1_iue3zhx wrote
Again?!
2MegaWhats t1_iue6caf wrote
Safari is Webkit which Chromium was forked from.
Angelworks42 t1_iue6vkg wrote
I do endpoint engineering (for a state entity no less) - it's actually end of life in February 2023 and will be patched until then - plus everyone has been told it's been deprecated for over a year now.
So what about sites that actually still need it? I only have one customer in our enterprise who absolutely requires it and it's not a government app - it's Oracle's Micros Opera Property Management System.
Even our on prem ERP (enterprise resource planner) we were able to upgrade nearly 10 years ago to support modern browsers - and this is an app that has been around since the 60s.
It's going to be fine because Microsoft Edge Enterprise Site List. The way it works is we have a policy where the clients know about certain urls to automatically enable IE mode. The end user is really not even aware it kicks off. You can read more about it here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie11-deploy-guide/what-is-enterprise-mode
You see while iexplore.exe is going away - all the api's will live in forever because there's tons of apps that use them - and you might not even know it.
Yes there are better ways of doing web content in an app in Windows like Web Edgeview, but IE compatibility will likely be with us well beyond Windows 12 and 13 - just like hta's and mfc.
So no there's zero issues for any sys admin who knows anything about Windows.
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Sanjakimo t1_iuekcul wrote
Then this post is definitely on brand.
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Iceykitsune2 t1_iueoa3x wrote
And the only reason they changed was inability to find a supplier.
logs777 t1_iueoul9 wrote
Well technically it’s not dead entirely. The core trident engine that powered the IE browser is still part of the OS and powers MS Edge when called upon to open sites in IE mode. That is why you still see Internet Explorer as installed in windows features as well as Internet options still available in control panel
rolgelthorp t1_iuermjn wrote
!remindme 3 years
OzVapeMaster t1_iuevujk wrote
Talk about dramatic
Pokemansparty t1_iuezri0 wrote
How am I supposed to browse the web on Windows XP without I.E.??
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thecstep t1_iuf5imh wrote
Yep. And IE mode requires IE to be installed.
Ok-Row-6131 t1_iuf8fhw wrote
As someone who works at one of said fossil companies, there's not a chance anything will change for me.
covidapocalypse t1_iuf8qrw wrote
Have worked at some like that. Nothing changes until a security breach
zymology t1_iufcyym wrote
This bit actually did just come out this past week:
"Note: The retired, out-of-support Internet Explorer 11 desktop application will be permanently disabled on certain versions of Windows 10 as part of the February 2023 Windows security update ("B" release) scheduled for February 14, 2023."
hamnoo9 t1_iufh415 wrote
Safari was actually developed using WebKit which is open source
Google forked Webkit to produce Chromium.
microlard t1_iufhtzm wrote
That joke played out a long time ago and isn’t funny/clever/interesting any longer.
jasongw t1_iufpqvj wrote
Eventually perhaps, but he got booted.
jasongw t1_iufqx0e wrote
I used to, when I was younger. Then I realized it's a waste of effort and off to the recycler they go 🤪
iNyander t1_iufrawt wrote
Ok, so do enlighten me as to why you think LTSC sucks ass. What isn't working for you that works in Enterprise? Genuinely curious.
LTSC is intended for stability and security, which is on the opposite end of spectrum of the "beta test" Home/Pro consumer editions.
In the same sense you claim LTSC is garbage, I could easily claim X build of Windows is garbage because it introduces a slew of unexpected issues.
GreedyRyan t1_iufvyu9 wrote
Can we inform the DOD of this?
jasongw t1_iug3o98 wrote
LTSB/C is not intended for desktop deployment. It is designed for deployments on medical devices, ATM machines and similar use cases where its functionality doesn't need to evolve over time.
LTSB/C introduces issues for different reasons: it doesn't have the full range of functionality as a desktop focused edition of Windows does, which means in turn that numerous applications either don't work correctly or completely, and good luck figuring that out in advance.
The entire mentality of leaving a PC in feature stasis for years on end is there kind of antiquated bullshit we did back in the 90's and early 00's. It worked at that time and I'm that context, but it does not work in 2022.
iNyander t1_iug6gle wrote
You're not answering my question. What is not working for you? Or are you just making an issue out of a nonissue?
> it doesn't have the full range of functionality as a desktop focused edition of Windows does
That is utter nonsense. It has everything Windows needs to function normally.
jasongw t1_iug6pdh wrote
I answered your question. The fact that you don't like the answer is your own problem.
LTSB/C is not intended for normal desktop use. Period.
iNyander t1_iug70en wrote
No you didn't. I am asking for a specific example. You are dodging the question with a blanket statement that doesn't really address anything.
You shooting for the CEO of Adobe?
9-11GaveMe5G t1_iubrqsd wrote
I would be shocked if there weren't one (if not more) government agencies that have long term support contracts. Remember governments all around the world use these products