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captnmr t1_jdefbpg wrote

>some organizations within the company say failure to comply could result in termination

Absolutely insane of a policy. Apple has periodic employee review periods where each employee is rated and calibrated against their peers. You are judged on the impact you delivered; not necessarily how you delivered.

Forcing some teams to go to the office is absolutely insane. If some people are not efficient from home and decide to work form home, then deal with this as a performance problem. Otherwise, let people work.

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fragment137 t1_jdf3dan wrote

I don't care if they're Apple. If I was working for a company that mandated back to office, I'd be leaving. After working from home for three years straight, I see no value for me returning to the office.

Actually, I don't see any value for the company either, because my productivity will probably take a hit, and my flexibility to work outside my given hours would completely die.

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captnmr t1_jdf4a97 wrote

Yup, this is my point. Don't take attendance like college. Measure accomplishments.

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fragment137 t1_jdf4kx7 wrote

Exactly. My performance speaks for itself. What the hell do they care if I'm sat in my scivvies in my comfy gaming chair in my own home. Job gets done. I'm paid for the job, not for showing up. If it was the other way around, believe me I'd be there every day, showing up on time and getting exactly zero work done, lol.

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Neverlookedthisgood t1_jdg56r7 wrote

Completely agree. I remember the “going to the office” days. We’d talk about news in the morning, do some work, have a hour meeting where some work got done or was talked about. Then we’d all head off across town to some random lunch spot one of us picked. It definitely wasn’t a close spot, and always took over an hour. At 4 we were all ready to hit the door.

Fast forward, I wake up 15 minutes before work, work until lunch, play with my daughter for 30 minutes, then usually continue working until 5 or later.

Before wfh I was sitting in rush hour traffic for hours a day, not getting any work done during that, or any father-daughter lunch time. It was lose lose for everyone. It’s beyond me why companies are fighting to have people back, unless management just wants to feel important again checking on people at their desks.

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ASEdouard t1_jdf4vrt wrote

If an employee plainly refuses to follow workplace policies, how is this not ground for termination?

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captnmr t1_jdfhxex wrote

Legally, sure. But it’s a stupid policy that doesn’t have any effect on performance.

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its_k1llsh0t t1_jdfmw3h wrote

We have the same culture where I work. What impact are you having? Not how did you make that impact. Just yesterday our CEO said in a town hall that failure to come in the 3-days a week without an approved exception would be reflected in performance reviews.

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