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DarraignTheSane t1_jbkj6h6 wrote

Aww look at WhatsApp pretending to be concerned about security while being owned and operated by Meta / Facebook. Isn't it cute.

I guess they mean "security outside of the complete lack of security you have from us".

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Comprehensive_Wall28 t1_jbkpgzs wrote

Better than complying

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DarraignTheSane t1_jbkwe66 wrote

I suppose I would agree. It's just laughable coming from them, however.

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DoctorDib t1_jbksli4 wrote

It's better for them to sell the data than giving it away for free.

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nick47H t1_jbll6hs wrote

You do realise Meta have no way of reading the messages, unless either party actually sends it to a employee right?

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aliciablackhorn t1_jbm3x8l wrote

And none of that stuff is mispresented as being encrypted data.

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9405t4r t1_jbn1q94 wrote

Was it slack or zoom who got caught pretending to have secured encrypted messages and then it came out that the just said it was encrypted while it wasn’t?

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nick47H t1_jbngebz wrote

Zoom. But the microscope that WhatsApp is under is a million times more powerful and all we have is paranoia, no evidence at all.

I understand the meta hate but their is a point where it just sounds stupid.

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MaxMouseOCX t1_jbnxngs wrote

Itt: people not realising reverse engineers have ripped whatsapp apart many many times... And there has never been a bombshell dropped regarding its operation.

WhatsApp is end to end encrypted, can be confirmed as such, and doesn't "phone home" with its data.

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Thrawn7 t1_jbmm7qg wrote

Meta controls the actual app and any updates to it. There's no telling if there's code that searches your message history for specific words and sends info back to Meta through control channels about your interests. Eg you chat with a friend about IKEA and potentially Meta knows that you're interested about furniture without any of your messages being read at Meta central.

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nick47H t1_jbmyus7 wrote

Paranoid bullshit

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Thrawn7 t1_jbmzj2j wrote

There’s a reason why apps like Signal exist. It’s open source and you know what’s in the code.

Meta/Google etc all have its revenues directly linked to data they can gather from you. I don’t have much faith that things closed source that they wrote are completely hands off at that data right in front them.

Certain things are believable like them not sending all your messages back directly. Impossible to hide that from the sheer volume of data that would have to be sent through the control channels. But it doesn’t mean that local data stored in the app isn’t analysed in some way.

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nicuramar t1_jbltwyx wrote

> I guess they mean “security outside of the complete lack of security you have from us”.

According to some evidence you’ll now provide? :p

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DarraignTheSane t1_jbmftya wrote

Nah, go ahead and trust Facebook. I'm sure they have your interests at heart.

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Substantial_Boiler t1_jbmnxmh wrote

I don't trust Facebook either, but it's hard to believe until you have hard evidence.

Also, with the way encryption in applications is implemented, it's kind of hard for Meta to know what the plaintext contents of your messages are. The UK wouldn't even ask for this in the first place if WhatsApp used some shoddy implementation that allows them to read all of your personal messages.

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Willinton06 t1_jbmoup1 wrote

They have a very big interest in being the only entity with access to what’s app data, so the security has to be sky high

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LaJolla86 t1_jbnhih5 wrote

Uh, I’m fairly sure Meta can decrypt your data with a warrant; is this just theater?

I mean on the news they show WhatsApp messages for investigations all the time. Probably easily abused by our surveillance agencies.

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Capoclip t1_jbno8f4 wrote

Didn’t they already weaken it for aus?

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