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jcpmojo t1_jec5acg wrote

While I agree that new hires benefit greatly from being in the office, learning from coworkers, and seeing how things get done first hand, once they're trained up and can stand on their own, there's no need to have them in the office full time. And it makes no sense to require tenured employees to come into the office at all, if they're not involved in training a new hire.

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ChibiSailorMercury t1_jec5wux wrote

I was hired for a new job during the pandemic. All the training was done from home. I had an appointed mentor who showed me the ropes and then to whom I could ask questions.

It seriously wasn't that bad.

(My point being there are even some jobs where going to the office is not needed to learn how to complete your tasks and so on)

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HanaBothWays t1_jec7g7g wrote

It does take some effort but you can develop new hire onboarding, training, and mentorship programs that work in a remote setting and/or where everyone isn’t co-located. You have to have a checklist with timelines and specific things to fill out. My company did it.

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despitegirls t1_jecd4lw wrote

I've been working with HR to do the same over the past eight months. The companies that went through the trouble to figure out remote onboarding, work, and offboarding will be better off than those that didn't. Even if we don't get another pandemic, it provides them more options in hiring.

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Jorycle t1_jed9gm9 wrote

Yeah, it's 100% dependent on the company. Some are great at it, others suck. The only real difference is that it is a lot easier for a company to suck at it in remote work, because you're sort of on an island and need people to opt-in to helping you out. In an office, you can go pound on someone's door if it really comes down to it. Seems like it's easier and makes everyone happier if a company just tries to not suck at it.

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squeevey t1_jec60ne wrote

I go into the office 5 days a week because I hate working from home. Hardly anyone is at the office, but whatever, i come home and it feels great to have my own space.

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KeaboUltra t1_jecj1ng wrote

I think that really depends on the field. I WFH and of course, It's computer based. When I worked in IT there was literally nothing taught hands on to me. Just videos and a guy that really sucked at communicating my job expectations, Within days I was thrown live into the mix of things I didn't even understand, and I made it out after 2 years with a ton of knowledge sure, but It was honestly knowledge I always had, I was being paid entry/min level wage for level 2 work.

Now, at my remote job, They actually taught us. despite being remote, we could still help out or have hands on experience with something. At least what I do. I feel like I've been working here for my whole life, in a good way, because the work feels like the type of person I am. I actually know things and help out and am informative, and looking to improve way more than I did in a corporate IT cubicle, where I didn't fully understand how anything worked or why we were even doing what we we're doing considering my position didn't really even exist, I would usually finish most of my work in 2-6 hours then be told to do things that weren't in my description, or sit around passing the time in pure white fluorescent light.. Anything I learned could have been taught over the phone or in a remote session.

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SAAARGE t1_jecfbf2 wrote

So I'm actually in that exact situation; I was hired about 10 months ago and have basically learned everything I need to for my job. I'm curious about what you think as far as the when and how of bringing up that I'd like to go remote?

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psyon t1_jeczihs wrote

How are they going to learn from coworkers if all the coworkers that know what they are doing are working from home?

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crawling-alreadygirl t1_jeeswvw wrote

They can still communicate. I've trained and mentored remote employees quite effectively.

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psyon t1_jeeu1gr wrote

Then why have anyone goto the office if they are going to be taught remotely?

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johnjohn4011 t1_jecd3ft wrote

If you consider that probably more than half of many CEO's jobs consists of micromanaging workers, along with their need for paid minions to stroke their egos & give them the attention that they would never get otherwise..... it starts to make a lot of sense from a certain perspective.

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thatsnot_kawaii_bro t1_jeez1tk wrote

My problem with that though is (at least with a lot of the big names) the teams are too big that there is a chance they are distributed significantly. Even as a new hire you can end up in a situation where you are in one location and your seniors are in a completely different state/country.

That happened previously at one job and it was not a fun experience, especially since I kept being told how important it was to go to office to learn. Meanwhile all my team/sister-team/step-team members are in another state/country.

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sooprvylyn t1_jec6d7h wrote

Yeah, fuck our evolution as social collaborative animals.

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therapist122 t1_jecepp7 wrote

Fuck you pay me if that's the case. Is it in my job description to train new hires, or do I do that to be nice? You want me to be a babysitter too, that's another 100k a year minimum. And even that is only enough that I might think about it

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Am__I__Sam t1_jeccopl wrote

You say that like the ancient ancestors we evolved from had the ability to communicate and collaborate damn near instantaneously, face-to-face, from literally the opposite side of the planet. If they had, your definition of collaborative would probably be different

The only difference for me between working in the office and working from home is that in between tasks in the office, I have to pretend to be busy, when at home I can walk away for 15 minutes and take care of something so I won't have to later. The people I go to with questions aren't even in my office to begin with so why fucking bother.

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crawling-alreadygirl t1_jeet2r7 wrote

You can socialize and collaborate outside work, you know. It actually gets a lot easier when you're not wasting all your time going into a job.

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