t0slink t1_jb49q5y wrote on March 6, 2023 at 8:59 AM

Reply to comment by PerfectPercentage69 in New Bill Could Ban TikTok, Other Foreign Technology Products in US Over Data Collection Concerns by donnygel

There is no moral government snooping on users, whether from China or the NSA. This wouldn't have to be a choice if people in this country actually cared to defend their rights in court.

dotnetdotcom t1_jb4mqc5 wrote on March 6, 2023 at 12:02 PM

Take it to court. It'll get thrown out because you have no standing. People have tried. The way it is now, nobody has standing, any case brought against them will get thrown out. (To have standing you must have been uniquely harmed or harmed more than other people by the govt.) They would have to use some of their collected data in a court case for someone to bring a 4th amendment case against them, but they dont do that. If the government needs data for a court case, they'll buy it from data brokers to skirt the 4th amendment.

PandamoniumNO2 t1_jb4r5zo wrote on March 6, 2023 at 12:50 PM

Had the time and money to defend their rights in court*

PerfectPercentage69 t1_jb4a2oa wrote on March 6, 2023 at 9:04 AM

This is not a question of privacy but a question of foreign power having access to that data. Do you think that a Chinese company would respect any privacy law that the US government passes?

t0slink t1_jb4alc0 wrote on March 6, 2023 at 9:12 AM

> Do you think that a Chinese company would respect any privacy law that the US government passes?

By definition, the company would have to follow the law or it would simply be delisted. The US is no stranger to delisting foreign companies for illegal activity.

It is also easy to verify whether these companies are following the law, at least with regards to CCPA or GDPR.

PerfectPercentage69 t1_jb4b6d3 wrote on March 6, 2023 at 9:20 AM

Delist from where? Tiktok is not publicly traded. They can ban it if the US thinks they are doing something bad, like being used by a foreign power to get data on its citizens. Hence, the whole purpose of this bill.

Also, just because they might follow the law like GDPR, it doesn't mean that they can't break it at a moments notice if the CCP demands it since they have to by Chinese law.

I get your point, and I agree that we need better privacy laws, but that's a completely different issue from what this bill is trying to do.

t0slink t1_jb4bcgv wrote on March 6, 2023 at 9:23 AM

Whether it's publicly traded or not is irrelevant. US businesses can be banned from doing business with TikTok/ByteDance and thus forced to delist the app from app stores.

This is what happened to Huawei and ZTE, and it's why Huawei phones can't use Google Play Services.

irn t1_jb4b7ph wrote on March 6, 2023 at 9:21 AM

It’s not just about having data but the ability to prorrogarte the data being shown by their apps. Between Facebook and Twitter, TikTok can be manipulated into echo chambers to divide our country even more than the Russians have in the past.