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donsanedrin t1_jd9kj50 wrote
Reply to comment by JadeitePenguin1 in Judge dismisses gamers’ claims that Microsoft/Activision merger will spoil gaming by Flawed_L0gic
So..........to answer your question, they never permanently control FF7, because they didn't buy out the IP outright.
Which is what Microsoft is attempting to do with COD.
Correct?
This would also be a deal that Microsoft could make with Square-Enix, but chances are Square-Enix wouldn't make such a deal because Final Fantasy is an important IP in Japan where they expect to sell many copies of the game, and Xbox has almost no presence in Japan.
> O and speaking of them permanently buying things how do you think a lot of their studios came to be? They bought them!
Actually, they helped create almost half of them, to make games that they were publishing. In other words, the correct terminology would be that Sony helped create "second-party" studios that would later become "first-party" studios once they released a successful game, and Sony wanted to continue working with that studio.
Microsoft/Xbox is NOT doing that.
Activision is already successful and independent by itself.
Microsoft is trying to buy them, outright, to take control of already successful and powerful gaming IPs.
That's like one guy trying to assemble a baseball team, and scouting for good players, and developing them to become really good.
And then another guy goes and buys the New York Yankees.
And you're telling me "iT's ThE sAmE tHiNg!"
JadeitePenguin1 t1_jdaz0sk wrote
Ummm maybe try reading before typing nonsense please....
So..........to answer your question, they never permanently control FF7, because they didn't buy out the IP outright.
"Which is what Microsoft is attempting to do with COD.
Correct?
This would also be a deal that Microsoft could make with Square-Enix, but chances are Square-Enix wouldn't make such a deal because Final Fantasy is an important IP in Japan where they expect to sell many copies of the game, and Xbox has almost no presence in Japan."
This doesn't even make any fucking sense! I didn't ask a question! And I explained it in detail so I actually already proved what you said wrong...wtf are you talking about???
"Actually, they helped create almost half of them, to make games that they were publishing. In other words, the correct terminology would be that Sony helped create "second-party" studios that would later become "first-party" studios once they released a successful game, and Sony wanted to continue working with that studio."
.....it doesn't matter if they helped create them! What matters is the amount they bought! I mean they just bought Bungie! Stop trying to convince yourself that they're a good company.
Not to mention funny how you seen to ignore the whole Sony buys exclusives when that's the argument....it's almost like you know you're wrong!
donsanedrin t1_jdb04i6 wrote
> This doesn't even make any fucking sense! I didn't ask a question! And I explained it in detail so I actually already proved what you said wrong...wtf are you talking about???
No, you didn't prove anything wrong.
I was making it very clear.............did Sony do what Microsoft has clearly done with Zenimax/bethesda, and they are going to eventually do with ActivisionBlizzard?
And the answer to that is no.
Square-Enix still has control over what they do with their Final Fantasy games.
> .....it doesn't matter if they helped create them!
Yes it does........it means Sony didn't take anything away that already existed.
Because Sony had a hand in creating God of War, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Ghost of Tsushima, The Last of Us.
Were any of these games multiplatform IPs that were being sold on Xbox and Nintendo platforms, and then Sony purchased the developer with the eventual plan to only have them on Playstation platforms?
No.
Sony created these IPs.......they didn't "scam you" or "take" anything that you had to begin with.
> What matters is the amount they bought! I mean they just bought Bungie! Stop trying to convince yourself that they're a good company.
They don't control Bungie's main IP, Destiny.
Did you know that?
The publishing rights to Destiny and FUTURE Destiny games remains with the executives of Bungie, and a member board made up of Bungie employees.
In other words, Sony cannot restrict the platforms that Bungie decides to release Destiny on.
They literally made a deal that still gives Destiny autonomy.
You couldn't have picked a worse example to compare with what Microsoft is/has been doing.
> Not to mention funny how you seen to ignore the whole Sony buys exclusives when that's the argument....it's almost like you know you're wrong!
What "exclusives" did they buy? And are they PERMANENTLY bought?
You can't answer, or don't want to answer this....do you?
JadeitePenguin1 t1_jdb2lh8 wrote
"What "exclusives" did they buy? And are they PERMANENTLY bought?"
Are you serious? Like guy please find how your denial and support for a massive company is worrying.
resident evil 7 vr and bloodborne at the top of my head and there's console exclusives like FF7 and probably 16, and the upcoming silent hill 2 to name a few. Before you say "they don't own the IP" that's not a argument...
donsanedrin t1_jdb526p wrote
> resident evil 7 vr
Show me where that is bought? Where's the deal for that?
> bloodborne at the top of my head
Bloodborne was co-developed with Sony.
> Sony Computer Entertainment approached FromSoftware concerning cooperative development on a title, and director Hidetaka Miyazaki asked about the possibility of developing a game for eighth-generation consoles. The concept of Bloodborne developed from there. There were no connections to FromSoftware's previous titles, even though Miyazaki conceded that it "carries the DNA of Demon's Souls and its very specific level design".[44] Development ran parallel to that of Dark Souls II.[45]
Hell, Demon Souls actually has Sony development members listed as co-producer for that game.
Bloodborne is entirely funded by Sony, since its conception.
> there's console exclusives like FF7
There is nothing permanent about that exclusive, it can absolutely come to Xbox later on. The thing is, Sony didn't buy out Square-Enix. Square-Enix made a business decision to join a temporary exclusivity agreement.
There could be a "complete edition" that features all parts of the game, combined, and that would be a completely separate product sku, and sold across all platforms in the future. (After all, that's what happened with Metal Gear Solid HD collection).
> Before you say "they don't own the IP" that's not a argument...
Yes it is the argument, because you are not placing any of your fanboyish anger at the proper people responsible for it.
Square-Enix, and Konami.
Nobody is "forcing" them. Nobody has bought them out to force them.
You are listing games that still have a major presence to the Japanese market. Whether you like it or not, Sony has deeper relationships with these companies in Japan, especially with these titles that have a long history of being successful in Japan. On Playstation.
They probably crunched the numbers and decided that being promoted by Sony worldwide will generate them more money, especially in Japan, than NOT being promoted by Sony and whatever additional sales they generate from selling on the Xbox platform.
The most damning thing about your complaints of Square-Enix is this: They released Final Fantasy 15 multiplatform, on both Playstation and Xbox, day and date. And they never did it again.
Stop getting mad at Sony because of this.
JadeitePenguin1 t1_jdc6uq9 wrote
Again find help! If you need to be in this level of denial where you're basically just saying no to facts you need help!
I listed the games you are just in denial!
"Bloodborne was co-developed with Sony."
There's nothing I can find to back that up! Nothing!
"Bloodborne is entirely funded by Sony, since its conception."
O wait you just don't understand how game development works.....fuck off! Funded ISN'T CREATED! The game would've been made anyways!
"Show me where that is bought? Where's the deal for that?"
Well for RE7 Idk the fact it's not on pc when it wouldn't be that hard to port especially when the game was very popular...is thinking that fucking hard???
"There is nothing permanent about that exclusive, it can absolutely come to Xbox later on. The thing is, Sony didn't buy out Square-Enix. Square-Enix made a business decision to join a temporary exclusivity agreement."
Funny how you magically missed the news that Sony didn't do a temporary agreement with that game and others....
O and you magically ignore silent hill remaster as well that's not suspicious at all...
https://twitter.com/KoreaXboxnews/status/1605951525192617984?t=oBwOtXij3JM9MfxNiCE7hw&s=19
There's your fucking proof! and no xbox legally can't lie about that.
The most damning thing about your complaints of Square-Enix is this: They released Final Fantasy 15 multiplatform, on both Playstation and Xbox, day and date. And they never did it again.
This is the most silly part especially given the link I sent that was everywhere when it came out and you I guess live under a rock time to time, that makes no fucking sense! There was a new FF game it was made by a different developer which is why it was allowed(and was shit) and Microsoft paid for a ton of Japanese games for gamepass and to come to Xbox like persona 5, I mean they even made a ton of Square games as well so it doesn't make sense they would just not pay for FF7 remake.
Idk why you want to keep defending a massive company when you're clearly just wrong.
donsanedrin t1_jdds3sb wrote
> Again find help! If you need to be in this level of denial where you're basically just saying no to facts you need help!
You've literally presented no facts.
And when I ask you to present them, you just start throwing empty platitudes.
> "Bloodborne was co-developed with Sony."
> There's nothing I can find to back that up! Nothing!
I literally showed you the part where Sony approached From Software for the project.
> "Bloodborne is entirely funded by Sony, since its conception."
> O wait you just don't understand how game development works.....fuck off! Funded ISN'T CREATED! The game would've been made anyways!
Oh man. You really don't anything, and now you are screaming at this point.
> "Show me where that is bought? Where's the deal for that?"
> Well for RE7 Idk the fact it's not on pc when it wouldn't be that hard to port especially when the game was very popular...is thinking that fucking hard???
You're "proof"..........is PC gamers port-begging for something that they didn't get?
Capcom allowed RE4 to be remade entirely in VR. But they didn't do it, Meta/Oculus had another studio, Armature Studio, do that job. ** You think Sony "permanently" bought out the rights to VR for RE7?** LOL that's your theory?
> Funny how you magically missed the news that Sony didn't do a temporary agreement with that game and others....
> O and you magically ignore silent hill remaster as well that's not suspicious at all...
> https://twitter.com/KoreaXboxnews/status/1605951525192617984?t=oBwOtXij3JM9MfxNiCE7hw&s=19
> There's your fucking proof! and no xbox legally can't lie about that.
"Xbox can't legally lie about that"
Oh my goodness, you are screaming at your computer screen at this point. Actually Xbox straight up revealed that they lied to consumers and media about their console userbase when people read the documents from the CMA report last month. Alot of numbers displaying growth in their "Active Users" and Console size were significantly smaller than what they have been saying publicly.
So, they lied to somebody. And they did it for marketing reasons, I suppose.
Once again..........I'm going to ask you a simple question. Did Sony buy out Konami to get Silent Hill?
> There was a new FF game it was made by a different developer which is why it was allowed(and was shit) and Microsoft paid for a ton of Japanese games for gamepass and to come to Xbox like persona 5, I mean they even made a ton of Square games as well so it doesn't make sense they would just not pay for FF7 remake.
Oh man, look at this.
For starters, I already explained to you how Square Enix can release Final Fantasy 7 Remake to Xbox. They can get around it by producing a completely different sku, that would no longer be under any such temporary exclusivity agreements.
Call it a "Complete Edition" and that's literally a different product name, and a product sku. And they can now sell it to Xbox.
That is what makes the agreement temporary. In other words, Sony is not doing what Microsoft is attempting to do with buying out a company entirely for permanent control over an entire IP.
Now you have excuses for Final Fantasy 15. Sorry those simply aren't going to work. You are now a babbling gaming fanboy at this point.
Microsoft paid for Persona 5 to come to gamepass??????? And that has WHAT to do with FF15, exactly?
Your theory is that FF15 was "allowed" on Xbox back in 2016 because Microsoft brought Persona 5 to GamePass in the year 2022?
Your incoherently babbling.
Take your own advice. Seek help. You can't prove a point to save your life.
JadeitePenguin1 t1_jde24cy wrote
'For starters, I already explained to you how Square Enix can release Final Fantasy 7 Remake to Xbox. They can get around it by producing a completely different sku, that would no longer be under any such temporary exclusivity agreements."
And that was proven wrong....
No Microsoft legally can't fucking lie about that! They said it in court! Meaning if they did lie it Sony would've said so already....
The fact I gave you proof and all you did was cry is proof you have no clue what you're talking about.
donsanedrin t1_jde5fb7 wrote
> And that was proven wrong....
No it wasn't. I actually referred you to the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection. None of the Metal Gear Solid games were ever individually made for XBox, besides MGS2.
Yet they all eventually ended up on Xbox when combined as a collection.
The same thing could happen with FF7 Remake Parts 1, 2, and I dunno if there's a Part 3. But afterwards, it can be combined and ASSIGNED A DIFFERENT TITLE, making it an entirely new sku
And this would bypass any temporary exclusivity agreement.
Not to mention that any such agreement is never permanent.
Quite frankly, I don't really care to assure you of your ridiculous fanboy complaints.
> No Microsoft legally can't fucking lie about that! They said it in court! Meaning if they did lie it Sony would've said so already....
They literally lied to the outside world about their active userbase numbers.
Once again, the exclusivity can be circumvented by Square-Enix, and almost certainly will be. As I already explained.
Why are you yelling?
> The fact I gave you proof and all you did was cry is proof you have no clue what you're talking about.
No, you didn't give me proof.
You gave me a completely unfounded claim, that you have seen that those things are NEVER PERMANENT.
Buying out Activision to own Call of Duty...............is PERMANENT.
There's really nothing you can say that changes that.
EDIT: Looks like I've outed another fanboy who went on a full fanboy meltdown. Poor guy was literally screaming at his computer at the end. And then proceeded to block me so that it looks like he could have the last word
He kept on screaming "STOP LYING!!!!"....and never once bother to explain, demonstrate, or provide anything that would be considered information or evidence, or even explanation/narrative to...y'know......actually prove I was lying.
He just kept on repeating it like as if he was using the phrase to express his own personal discontent. Like as if I was hurting him by the points I was making.
These Xbox fanboys are something. I'd rather wish that they were paid astroturfers because I could respect that more.
JadeitePenguin1 t1_jdfhudc wrote
"No it wasn't. I actually referred you to the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection. None of the Metal Gear Solid games were ever individually made for XBox, besides MGS2."
No stop lying!
Like seriously if you have to lie you're wrong! The ONLY counter argument to that link I send would be another showing it being wrong! ANYTHING ELSE DOESN'T MATTER!
Again please find help you clearly have issues if you need to defend a shit company this hard.
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