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donsanedrin t1_jd6y3gd wrote

Reply to comment by bdsee in Judge dismisses gamers’ claims that Microsoft/Activision merger will spoil gaming by Flawed_L0gic

No, its not an "emotional" argument.

You are trying to dismiss Sony Computer Entertainments contributions to gaming.

It absolutely has a bearing. They earned those exclusives, by having a hand in developing them. Those are their home-grown products.

You're trying to gloss over this, because you are trying to make a false-equivalency but you know it falls apart if we actually look at the details.

By your logic, Nintendo doesn't to have the right to do whatever they want to do with their Mario and Zelda IPs.

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bdsee t1_jd71ggk wrote

>You are trying to dismiss Sony Computer Entertainments contributions to gaming.

Nowhere did I do that, but this is more emotuonal argument from you...it has nothing to do with the market or business.

>They earned those exclusives, by having a hand in developing them.

Emotional argument. Microsoft earned their exclusives by being successful enough to buy those development houses.... it's just as dumb as your argument. This isn't some guy sitting in his garage inventing something only for a big bad corporation to come along and steal it...this is two massive corporations competing in a space both buying up dev houses when they feel it is a good business decision. I'm against mergers generally, but gaming is massive and easier than ever to get into...there isn't a risk from this kerger of monopolising the industry.

>because you are trying to make a false-equivalency but you know it falls apart if we actually look at the details.

What details? That one company developed their properties and another is trying to buy properties? Nobody is denying it, but it's simply irrelevant to anything but how you personally feel.

>By your logic, Nintendo doesn't to have the right to do whatever they want to do with their Mario and Zelda IPs

You are just making up more nonsense. Nowhere did I mention that Sony or Nintendo shouldn't be able to do what they want with their properties. All I was pointing out is that whether they create it or buy the company that created it is functionally the same. One doesn't deserve special consideration by the law over the other.

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donsanedrin t1_jd94vb9 wrote

> Nowhere did I do that, but this is more emotuonal argument from you...

This isn't working. You need to stop this ad hominem type of attack, because its not going to work with me.

> Emotional argument. Microsoft earned their exclusives by being successful enough to buy those development houses....

No they haven't. We've been told that Microsoft's Xbox division has EARNED LESS MONEY during its lifetime than Sony's Playstation business.

Sony biggest acquisition has only half of the cost of Microsoft buying Zenimax at $7 billion dollars.

And then Microsoft, a year later, has the ability to spend something at 10x the dollar amount. $70 billion.

Xbox has never generated any such earnings or "success" to be able to buy out such large entities. They are leveraging Microsoft's success from OTHER BUSINESSES.

So......no. Xbox absolutely has not done anything to "earn" this.

This is clearly an attempt to buy out and corner a market.

> I'm against mergers generally, but gaming is massive and easier than ever to get into...there isn't a risk from this kerger of monopolising the industry.

Yes, there absolutely is. You are plainly ignorant if you think that is not the case.

> What details? That one company developed their properties and another is trying to buy properties? Nobody is denying it, but it's simply irrelevant to anything but how you personally feel.

No, it is relevant. Because you are trying to say that its okay for Microsoft to do this, because Sony has ALREADY COMMITTED such bad practices.

.........when Sony hasn't.

And you're trying to make a false-equivalency.

> You are just making up more nonsense. Nowhere did I mention that Sony or Nintendo shouldn't be able to do what they want with their properties.

Except you are trying to portray Sony that they did something "anti-consumer" for properties that they cultivated and invested in.

> they create it or buy the company that created it is functionally the same. One doesn't deserve special consideration by the law over the other.

No they aren't the same.

And yes the law should and DOES distinguish something that is created, and something that is bought.

The FCC, the CMA, doesn't not step in when Sony created a massively large IP that did not exist prior to them creating it.

They do step in when somebody is trying to buy an already existing large IP.

You ever seen a regulator come in an when Nintendo sold too many copies of a particular video game? You ever seen a regulator come in when Take-Two sold 40 million copies of Grand Theft Auto?

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bdsee t1_jdab9yl wrote

>No they haven't. We've been told that Microsoft's Xbox division has EARNED LESS MONEY during its lifetime than Sony's Playstation business.

I didn't say Xbox game division, I said Microsoft. Your belief that their game division can't be supported by the profits from the rest of the company is irrelevant...and emotional.

>Sony biggest acquisition has only half of the cost of Microsoft buying Zenimax at $7 billion dollars.

Sony made most of their acquisitions decades ago...also, so what, they buy smaller developers...what does that have to do with anything?

>And then Microsoft, a year later, has the ability to spend something at 10x the dollar amount. $70 billion.

Yeah, it's almost like Microsoft has a shitload of money because of how successful they are in other areas of their business.

>So......no. Xbox absolutely has not done anything to "earn" this.

I said Microsoft, not Xbox...why do you believe that as a matter of law these should be separate and why are you just pretending O saod Xbox and not Microsoft?

>Yes, there absolutely is. You are plainly ignorant if you think that is not the case.

No there absolutely isn't. Microsoft will still be smaller than Sony and the marketshare per company and amount of new entrants in the industry is probably one of the most healthy industries.

>No, it is relevant. Because you are trying to say that its okay for Microsoft to do this, because Sony has ALREADY COMMITTED such bad practices.

For the last time I never said half the shit you have said that I said...jesus, do you even know how to read.

And even if I did, you are back to making an emotional argument...nothing you say has anything to do with law or market impact.

>And yes the law should and DOES distinguish something that is created, and something that is bought.

No it doesn't. Let's imagine for a second that Microsoft never entered the console market and it was just Sony and Nintendo...Microsoft could buy Sony and regulators wouldn't bat an eye because there would be no change to the market, it would still just be 2 players. It wouldn't matter that Microsoft had never created anything in that market...it is irrelevant.

Just like if the current situation existed but Sony had more cash and they had of tried to acquire Activision they would scrutinise that deal despite Sony having created their exclusive IPs in house....because it is irrelevant. They would scrutinise the deal because of the potential market impact...and it would be less likely to be approved because Sony is already the market leader.

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