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Decent-Can378 t1_jecmzvt wrote

Google is panicking. Sundar needs to go and be replaced by someone who can bring back innovation in the company; it's been stagnating for a long time. It needs someone innovative and with a product mindset. If things continue at this rate (and I'm not referring to just this particular incident) Google will have to face the harsh words of its investors very soon. For more context read this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/03/google-assistant-might-be-doomed-division-reorganizes-to-focus-on-bard/.

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rain168 t1_jedi0fp wrote

This!!! Google hasn’t come up with anything since Sundar led the company. He doesn’t dare to rock boats or drive results.

Google glasses, dead. Stadia, dead. Then there’s waymo and verily taking forever to release whatever they are working on. Got some results on quantum? Doesn’t monetize cuz scared…

Wonder why the board is so patient with Sundar that doesn’t deliver…

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Decent-Can378 t1_jedkrq2 wrote

I've always believed that it's always the founders who care about innovation. No McKinsey CEO can even remotely match that passion. Although, I'm seeing quite a different situation with Microsoft. Satya is both passionate and aggressive. Sundar was quite a pathetic choice.

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lixia t1_jee1qpt wrote

Surface has been great. It’s just been pretty safe with the latest yearly refreshes.

Windows 11 is also a hot mess albeit serviceable.

Xbox / games division is on fire (the good kind).

Bing might become a thing with chatgpt integration. I’ve been using it more and more over google lately.

Chromium edge has been my browser of choice for a while now.

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aphelloworld t1_jefojac wrote

Satya definitely knows what he's doing. Sundar sucks... Too complacent

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Substantial_Boiler t1_jedvvep wrote

They are actually getting better and more consistent with hardware. Even though they are a software-first company, you'll need to give credit where it is due

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OkTeaching8737 t1_jedveo6 wrote

Google has been making innovations tho, it’s just in the AI space Google has been very conservative in public usage/interactions because the ethics, laws, and use in that space is very vague and has huge potential for serious damage to googles brand as well as the future of AI. For example Googles internal use of AI has been very impressive and unique, like RankBrain, BERT, MUM, neural matching, not to mention how AI/ML is leveraged in almost everyone of their projects especially in non-generative spaces like earthquake detection or disease prevention.

ChatGPT has been super cool but rn there’s a lot of hype surrounding it, we’re still very early stages AI development, and who knows how well it will age (especially with how it’s common for chat focused models to output bad info, we haven’t seen the real impact of that and how it will shift perceptions of AI).

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memberjan6 t1_jefgc6w wrote

Deepmind made all the alphago, etc models. I can't believe Google still wont let people use it, like chatalpha kind of thing. Google sits on everything, does damn little with their creations.

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hatsagorts t1_jed076f wrote

I thought Google has been occupied with quantum computing technologies much more than in developing LLMs

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jeffyoulose t1_jed3cod wrote

Quantum computing is like a fusion research promise is great but incrementally progressing in a snail pace like it is going nowhere. At this point google either cans the research or continues the sunken cost fallacy.

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goofypugs t1_jed91jl wrote

there are quantum computer out right now what are you talking about?

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mia_elora t1_jeddam9 wrote

Current Quantum computers are pretty limited, still. While they exist, they are nowhere near what the hope and hype suggest. Very much still a WIP. That said, development and breakthroughs are ongoing and it's not a stagnant field of study. It's just slow, currently. We need to figure out how to keep the qubits more stable, etc.

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goofypugs t1_jede4px wrote

i’m just replying to above comment, sure the hype might be misplaced and based on misunderstandings, but they do exist and work for what they do. Fusion likewise has had a revolutionary breakthrough as of a couple months ago that paves the way for actual implementation. All i’m trying to say it’s not the 90s anymore, where yes you kept hearing about this and nothing seemingly happened, now it’s actually becoming a reality, it’s not hype

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jeffyoulose t1_jedfy8g wrote

Virtual reality is still hype though. No one wants to spend hours without legs.

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goofypugs t1_jedgood wrote

who tf is talking about vr? and no it’s not hype, it’s pretty insane just not quite there yet which doesn’t mean hype

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jeffyoulose t1_jeesce3 wrote

It's hype in the sense that there isn't mass adoption. Most users quit after a month. Also magicleap is a total disappointment.

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josefx t1_jednzfo wrote

As far as I understand they are still far from capable enough to actually out pace traditional systems at anything and scaling them up causes the amount of errors to explode to the point where the results become useless.

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Paperdiego t1_jedoa8v wrote

Google isn't panicking. Reddit dude thinks it knows better lmao

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Decent-Can378 t1_jedpe1z wrote

Google "reacting" to the chatgpt announcement by unleashing a half-finished Bard in a hurry thereby botching up even a canned demo, using chatgpt data to train Bard, etc go to prove that. Speaking objectively.

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OkTeaching8737 t1_jedxh1f wrote

Yea Google was caught off guard…but I feel it’s way to early to tell how this will play out. Googles been conservative from the beginning with AI for very good reasons this is very new almost bleeding edge technology, there is law still to be written on it, public hype is great and all but how long will the chatGPT hype last. How long before bad decisions, made on bad info from generative AI shift perceptions against how reliable these tools are. A big part of googles brand is reliability, quality, and accuracy as well as innovation. Microsoft doesn’t have much to lose by going fast and breaking things, in fact they very much have too otherwise Google would continue dominating the AI space.

If you look at how Google actually uses AI, not just one bad demo with Bard that was literally rolled out last minute, they have a deeply future focused approach. They haven’t lost much ground yet and their is no reason they need to chuck their current playbook out the window. The best thing would be to let chatGPT take most of the focus, learn from their pitfalls, and continue making progress in the background while still staying relevant. Which is pretty much what they’re doing.

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Inquisitive_idiot t1_jedu18i wrote

I work for a competitor and it’s disconcerting seeing one of the FANGs trip up like this. They are such an ingrained part of our culture, have created amazing tech that I use everyday, and seeing them flustered like this on some thing that they should have down cold is concerning.

If one of them stagnates, they all eventually stagnate as well.

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jeffyoulose t1_jed3lq1 wrote

Yes I agree. Replace the entire C suite. The age of Indian ceos is over. They don't have the drive to innovate.

Just have Elon musk come in as a consultant and run everything into the ground. The end.

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