Read the article. These people stopped showing up for work, faked having covid, and assumed that they could use a union to protect their absurd anti work behavior.

these sockpuppets are getting weirder by the day

What article did you read? You either lie or you are unable to read.

From the article:

> "Apple management said I was fired for a typo in my timesheet that I had documented and tried to correct. Yet, it is clear the real reason I was fired was for exercising my right to organize and win a protected voice on the job," D'lite Xiong, a former employee at the Country Club Plaza Apple Store in Kansas City, declared in a statement.

It then goes on to describing the intimidation, interrogation and coercion that apple has used against people who are in a union.

Normal companies have KPI or safety calls every week for their senior managers. Apple has Union busting calls. Managers are asked to report if they even hear any employee discussing unions in any capacity so the corporate terrorist, I mean union busting team can react quickly.

Source: worked at a store for 3 years and my MIL was a store leader for 5 years.

Why not arrested if its illegel?

I spent 10 years working at Apple. You could write several books about the darkness that envelopes the psychology of Apple. From store level to executives, I saw a fair amount of unethical and sociopathic behavior in that decade. Impressive and terrifying.

Just fine them for .01% of their profits for a day like always. /s

Same reason you don’t get arrested for not using a turn signal. Not every crime is an arrest.

Depends on what apple actually did and why people were let go. I know zero about this case, but I am personally familiar with several cases where employees claimed labor discrimination to try and avoid being fired for something else (theft in my most memorable case)

Yeah, apple declined to comment doesn't seem to support it being in the article.

I work there presently, and this is 100% correct. I mentioned a union to a co-worker -- outside of work and suddenly I am getting harassed due to performance.

Things like going outside of our troubleshooting documentation to fix an issue (I told the customer to restart safari)

Being scored by a manager who has zero idea of how technology works, and trying to make me admit I am wrong about doing X, or Y.

Being harassed when I am not at work because their system stated I was still logged in and in an idle state. I hadn't even logged in that day, and the time frame was off that it would even be possible.

Gaslighting, bullying, harassment. It's disgusting when you see the image apple tries to put out -- but on the inside they're a bunch of bullies who are terrified to say anything in writing. But will most certainly call you into a meeting to chastise you.

How does one arrest a corporation?

It's the latest hustle, work for a giant company, join a union, stop working, get fired, sue for the company's "anti-union activities" and hope for a quick settlement.

I'm not sure, but I'm willing to try

How is this technology related?

Unpopular opinion: unions promote mediocrity

Not everything illegal is codified as go to jail . Many things have law written as only fines for punishment.

So I am in the bargaining committee for the Apple Store in Towson MD. The moment we won our vote I was bombarded with DMs on instagram telling me to kms. I have zero doubt Littler Mendlson is botting and Astro turfing.

Bargaining Committee member for Apple Towson here. If you want to hear more about the horrible Anti Union things apple has done hit me up.

Yup. Unions had their time. And that time has long past.

How so? We can presently see protections that unions gave us being eroded like children working laws.

I wish unions would hire anti-anti union busting people.

Like hire some pipe hitting motherfuckers to just make the anti-union people uncomfortable when leaving their car and their house and stuff.

Not harassment, just letting these people know they’re there.

Apple? No way

Unions are just money grabs. Mad respect to Apple if true

You talking about the youth hiring act of 2023 ? It allows teenagers that are 14-15 the ability to get a job. No one is forcing anybody to work. It is just opening the way for teenagers that want to work to be able to get a job without the government having to give permission.

It allows companies to take advantage. It stipulates anybody 16-18 doesn't need an ID to get a job and 14-15 year olds just need parental permission. Aka, no official way to prove how old a kid actually is. This comes months after multiple meat packing plants were caught employing 12-15 year olds. We are going to hear many many more accounts of kids working jobs they should not once in effect.

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private company they can do what they want

I’m not saying some do.

I think it involves guillotines.

🥱 no one’s forcing them to be there. They want to work. Why is this so difficult to understand?

The only people who think this are the companies' managers, HR, and of course owners.

There is a direct correlation between the decline in labor union participation rates and the shrinking of the middle class. There is so much data to show that emplpyees represented by a union are better compensated for the hours that they work. Countries with strong unions enjoy much better labor protections and benefits than workers in the US get.

Nobody forced children to be coal miners or to work on dangerous factory jobs last century either and many died as a result. Is that what you want to go back to?

This is your brain on union busting: "I'm okay with expanding the extent to which a business can use child labor."

That thing you described definitely falls under the legal definition of harassment.

Not that I disagree with doing it. Just, ya know, snake is a snake and all.

You should hit up Vice News, they have some very good labor reporters.

their parents are

No they cannot. Those things they "allegedly" did are illegal. Private companies still have to follow the law. And it's against the law retaliate against your employees for unionizing.

I am OK with teenagers that are 14+ that want to work to be able to get a job in a safe work environment. Having a job is a good thing, and being able to work from a young age helps teens to learn social skills, develop responsibility, manage money, and understand personal finance.

And I am also OK with businesses, being proactive against unionization in order to prevent mediocrity in the workplace, higher labor costs, slower rates of advancement for excelling employees, unnecessary lawsuits, slower rates of company growth ,etc.

Have a great and fantastic day everybody

I just want them to use the same legal slime ball tactics that anti-union companies use. Just turned up to 11

We used to! People literally died so you'd have a 5 day work week.

If they understood personal finance, they would know that the best thing they could do right now is focus on getting a good education. Not only is education itself important to becoming a well-rounded member of society, but when primary education falls to the wayside because you want to make child-level wages today, you are likely dooming yourself to a lifetime of low-wage replaceable blue collar work.

Loose child labor laws rely on the fact that many children do not yet know this. Employers find it much easier to take advantage of kids who don't know their rights, feel intimidated to speak up, and accept lower wages because $7.25 per hour seems like a lot to a kid.

It's fascinating how you're so deeply invested in other conspiracies, yet you cannot see that the biggest supporters of union busting and child labor are greedy elites who want to screw the people over so that they can make more profit.

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"In what way is the technology company Apple related to technology?"

What sucks is that there really is nowhere to go. All corporations are like this.

The best thing we can do is support unions and the people attempting to form a union.

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We’ve talked to lots and lots of outlets already. I’m pretty sure they’ll wrote an article. Also wired, Bloomberg, WaPo, NYT, Just to name a few.

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I love the image Apple has crafted for itself but you don't get to be the wealthiest corporation in the world without doing terrible things.

Sounds about right.

Also, cake.

No wait, that’s revolutions.

These are people working at retail stores

It's equivalent to working at a Starbucks

Good luck on court 😂

Taking you up on that

One of the biggest things that hit our store were the captive audience meetings. They brought in an entire team of managers to replace our 10 person leadership team so that they could hold several “round tables” a day where they tried to scare us out of organizing and create divide among the team. They picked team members with anti union stances and gave them the pedestal to read talking points from Littler-Mendelson (The union busting law firm) and allowed them to peddle wild conspiracy theories and go on aggressive rants about unions. They masked coordinated talking points as “just expressing their opinion” and made hand picked groups of people to create the illusion of strong anti union support in the store to gaslight team members i to thinking support for a union wasn’t strong. They scaled back coverage on the floor and blamed the stressful and overloaded work load on the union. They pulled people randomly for one on one meetings with the store leader outside of the store where they were interrogated about their level of support for the union so they could assess people. They read anti union talking points in every morning meeting and announced withholding new benefits to our team as a result of us organizing.

That’s not even getting in to the very suspicious harassment I got online from bot accounts after our victory.

Apple, Starbucks, the same people who use and support these brands are the ones kept from unionizing. At some point you gotta make a decision.

Huh?

How we like em now…

The retail stores in which they sell technology? Oh, right. The technology. The technology for Apple, the technology chosen especially to benefit Apple, Apple's technology. That technology?

Get ‘em Towson.

• from this (happily former) R271 (almost) Lead Genius.

… “almost”, because I was given the opportunity but refused to abuse my team the way store leaders demanded.

Hope things get / are getting better for you. The only thing that made it better for me was leaving and never looking back. Life is so much better - happier, more balanced, far less stressful, far more pay - on the outside. Do what you’ve got to do, and earn that self-promotion to customer. Best of luck.

I still love the products. I dislike the company, and I absolutely fucking hate the retail side of it. An absolute shitshow, for both employees and customers. Oof … the stories I could tell.

Edit (addition): fwiw I made $47,000/yr as a (sort of) Lead Genius, $23 an hour or something. $55,000 with all the forced overtime. I left, and two years later make $110,000/yr as an IT Analyst. It feels like playing the game on easy mode now. Apple set me up with good foundations (I still use basic customer service tools I learned at the Genius Bar in my career now) but that’s about it. They do a really good job at trapping you, always making you feel like the next step is just in reach, and then taking advantage of it; all the while making you feel part of something and that you won’t ever find anything better - even if you did, good luck! Heads up, just like an abuser who says all the same bullshit: it’s not true.

Edit 2: and ofc, here come the suspicious downvotes!

By definition, most people will be mediocre

So much this. It's not like Alphabet or Samsung or Microsoft have great reputations with regard to unionization. And we have to use this tech. There is no practical alternative.

But we can vote for pro-union political candidates and pro-union state initiatives/propositions etc.

>I spent 10 years working at Apple. You could write several books about the darkness that envelopes the psychology of Apple. From store level to executives, I saw a fair amount of unethical and sociopathic behavior in that decade. Impressive and terrifying.

I've been working at Apple for 7 years, my experience has been basically the exact opposite of what you describe. Admittedly when I talk to the Career Experience (CE) folks we host for 6 month internships from the retail stores, the experience of working in retail sounds pretty grueling and awful, and has gotten much worse over the past 10 years. So like, that's a dark side, but I don't think its Apple-specific. Also, none of them can imagine leaving, because any other retail is worse (less choice in hours, much fewer benefits, less certainty in pay, etc).

But within corporate, like, sure, you can find empire-building and micromanagement and inept management and racist managers who hire exclusively foreigners from their home province…but you can find that in any large company. Most folks seem to care about what they do, care about customers' experience, and care about trying to have an overall positive impact. Management that I've worked with (up to VP level) has been occasionally kooky but always with their heart in the right place. My experience is that we'll go way out of our way to make sure that changes we make to improve supply chain integrity (ie not conflict minerals) or achieve eco-friendly goals are REAL improvements rather than just something we could claim without it making any actual difference. Like, tens of millions of dollars just that I've seen in my little corner of Apple to ensure the impact is real.

On the personal front, I fucked up majorly last year, my personal life exploded in a really nasty way, and I basically stopped working for a few months, didn't show up and didn't tell anyone much of anything, which was right during performance review season. My management basically made a formal note in my performance review that was like "we know iamthewaffler can do better and we're committed to getting them back on track" and they were like "hey let us know what if anything you need, also we have all these benefits that enable you to take a few weeks paid off if you're struggling, and you should definitely use them, just please let us know how we can support you, people get worried when you go dark". I feel very supported. So, I dunno. No real sociopathic or unethical behavior to report. I saw way more fucked up shit working in tort litigation with lawyers, and WAY more fucked up shit working in two hardware technology startups.

Just out of curiosity, how have you been able to interface with both store level dynamics and also executives? Seems like that sort of experience is quite uncommon. I have much more breadth at Apple due to my role than is typical, but I'm still not commonly interacting with anyone outside of engineering and above director-level (with the exception of our CEs).

Punishment if found guilty should be all Apple locations become immediately unionized.

That by itself would scare corporate America into no longer breaking the law. Punishment must be massive and disproportionate to get the C suite to notice.

Any tips for a potential future customer? (I have had a string of bad luck with Android phones arriving malfunctioning).

They did and that's why they were heavily involved with the mob. Which made unions easy targets for law enforcement during the Regan years. It fit their narrative perfectly that unions were just robbing the working man.

Always tripped me out that sociopathy and economic success seem to be so correlated in our society, EG there was that research that suggested that CEOs are among the professions with the most sociopaths/psychpaths. I don't know if "sociopathy should not be rewarded but punished" is a hot take.

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Corporations in America. If apple tried any of that crap in the EU they’d get nuked from orbit.

If you ever need proof unions are good for workers and not the companies bottom-line, look at what’s going on with Starbucks, Chipotle, Apple etc right now.

Yeah, there no getting around the fact apple are a very ugly company internally. The built in company culture of bullying and harassment seems to be across all divisions. Feels like a nasty, nasty shop with a country club veneer from the outside.

Tesla tried in their German plant. The union and courts were not impressed at all.

Yeah Germany is the last place on earth you should try any of that. They will drop kick you.

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Sweden or France would be worse. In France halve the place would have probably burned.

Solidarity from Verizon ✊

Apple wants to be known as the "darling" of the computer industry. It's every bit as fucking evil as all of the other corpos.

Would have been one hell of a fire had there been Li batteries.

Do they not realize that unions have a cleansing effect on the relationship between employees and management? It makes things clearer, better?

How many class action lawsuits have happened for unionized vs non-unionized labor for companies where the lawsuit was related to unfair labor practices?

If the point of Union-busting is NOT to control labor, then why is it a worthwhile activity? Aside from ensuring employer ability to exploit employee indiscriminately?

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Honestly? I believe it's something mostly cultural which is engrained in them at business school and which these highly paid, highly esteemed executives lack the courage, curiosity, and intelligence to question.

I mean we could dismantle the literal dystopian megacorps we've been brainwashed into thinking are helpful to us in any way. This whole economic system is poison and incentivizes sociopathy.

I have good instincts then. I black balled them when they off shored their money to avoid taxes

>Do they not realize that unions have a cleansing effect on the relationship between employees and management? It makes things clearer, better?

Why do you think they want things to get "better" if they benefit from the status quo? Why risk losing power over the working class? Keeping us scared and desperate keeps us in line. Its kind of the whole point.

And yet the EU is fine reaping the fruit of rotten labor just like America. Makes no difference.

I believe it. No need for alleged

In like 2003 my highschool computer teacher showed us the movie “pirates of Silicon Valley “. That movie immediately turned me off of apple because If even a fraction of what is portrayed in that movie is based on real events then the core of the company is irredeemable.

I guess I was asking rhetorical questions. They don’t want things to get better, and if the best people end up quitting because of it, then fine. At least people who give a shit about unions or otherwise have eyes have left and those remaining have an example of what happens

It can happen even with folks not from business school, people who go from the same role you’re in into management can show the same propensity.

Your Manager In-Law?

That is the end game of capitalism.

also former r271 here. made some of my best friends there, and learned some of my hardest lessons. proof: jedshot.

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I can't believe Apple is petty enough to send several paid shills to a reddit thread. Yet here we are.

7 years for me, The empty promises of career advancement were second only to the constant bickering and backstabbing. At one time being actively asked to report on people saying negative things about the management.

It’s sad, I enjoyed working there early days in red zone, but as soon as I entered a role with metrics the BS and knives in the back came out, it was like working at a highschool. One team member got spoken too because he mentioned a party in the break room and invited his friends and someone felt left out and reported as bullying Had the biggest shit eating grin when I handed them my resignation after 7 years. Perks were good, but that place was killing me. Stay safe internet friend.

Honestly I had a pretty similar experience working at apple

Union busting is an easy value proposition for corporations. The burden of proof is high. The rate of enforcement is VERY low. The punishment for doing it is really minimal. Even in a worst-case scenario, it's worth it for them to try every union busting tactic they can think of.

Until the punishment fits the crime, the union busting will continue.

While I worked there they fired people for not smiling during all-store meetings… it seemed like a loose-cult at times because everyone seemed to be brainwashed by Apple (the examples sound petty to type them out but it definitely was an odd experience)

I mean, it’s right in their contract that if they try to unionize they’ll be fired. Did they not read the contract they signed?

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I wish they’d enforce antitrust laws. I prefer iphones over androids & that’s basically the only options. Stick with a product I don’t like or a company that’s unscrupulous because there’s no meaningful competition

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Check how the unions screwed up the schools. Want them on your phones?

I hope things are better where you are! In my experience Verizon (the wireless side of the company) is just as bad as Apple. Constant union busting. People who dared mention the U word or even hinted at organizing suddenly faced corrective action or were fired on some other pretense.

It's so fucking bizarre to see how America treats its workforce. Like lmao.

I refuse to buy or use crApple products for this and many, many other reasons, ethical and otherwise.

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I’m currently using my iPad Pro as a dildo. Imagine how I feel reading this!

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They have to try make more money than last year, even if last year was record breaking profits. If you’re the one or few people who caused the stock to go down over moral responsibility when you are in charge you’re getting sued for not doing your fiduciary duty.

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No they don't they can do what they want 🤷‍♂️

This account has chains of comments like this. Do not engage. It's just trolling like this, just going "nuh uh".

The apple don't fall far from the tree; Steve Jobs was mean and inconsiderate; sounds like the culture of the company modeled itself after him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-jerk-2011-10?amp

Yeah, then they pay fines and continue business as is and know how to fuck people over without lawsuits.

Not only “paid shills” are anti union.