Submitted by nastratin t3_118evog in technology
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Rikuddo t1_j9j4pfa wrote
I remember old Top Gear episode where Jeremy was complaining about this very thing. And that was about 15-20 years ago.
He said that it's not just stupid but dangerous because I need pull my focus away from road to set temperature, or tune radio. Which could all be done with a simple knob or button in older cars.
Inquisitive_idiot t1_j9ja7so wrote
Muscle memory is an effective multitasking tool when we can’t take our eyes off the road and putting everything on the touchscreen nullifies this capability.
jesophat t1_j9ismz0 wrote
people complain -- but the real cause of this shitfest of control is this: engineering as a discipline continues to slide to new lows. a long time ago, engineering was about efficiency, doing more for less. efficiency in communication, efficiency in time. but now Apple with Iphones has fudged the whole philosophy -- its all about fuck the consumer make it hard for them and charge them more anyway. fuck efficiency. and this philosophy has spread everywhere. into car design and manufacturing, into hairstyles, into teslas etc etc. humanity is doomed.
2h2o22h2o t1_j9jtrc2 wrote
That’s because Engineering is subservient to Finance. It’s just how our entire economy is structured. Money is what matters. I see, and bitch about it, every day.
crackhappy t1_j9lekih wrote
Fuck touch screens. I will not buy a vehicle with a touch screen.
ShinyHappyAardvark t1_j9liwpq wrote
Amen, brother (or sister)!
Most_Engineering_992 t1_j9gp39c wrote
Requiring four touches on a screen to change the seat heater level is one of the things that has irritated me about my 2020 Outback. There is ample screen room for four buttons, but they only have one.
oDDmON t1_j9gzqe5 wrote
Interesting, I am considering a Subaru to replace an analog ‘04 Honda. Will pay extra attention to this when test driving, thanks.
Most_Engineering_992 t1_j9h7i42 wrote
I don't know if it's been improved with the latest models, but the CPU in the 2020 is dog slow which makes using the map painful.
Otherwise? Great car
jesophat t1_j9isp1n wrote
just buy 2nd hand. never buy new. the new cars are truly shit.
GrumpyInTheM0rning t1_j9hh2r6 wrote
It has been fixed. Buttons are on the main screen now.
Vairman t1_j9jhvw3 wrote
on 2023s. the old ones haven't gotten the software update yet. as far as I know.
Subaru's steering wheel controls are pretty good though, MUCH better than in the Camry rental car I'm driving.
IAmTaka_VG t1_j9hvnr5 wrote
That new Nissan that uses CAPACITIVE buttons I saw today gave me cancer.
Imagine, not even a touch screen. Fucking tactileless buttons embedded into your dash. Fucking kill me now.
IAmTaka_VG t1_j9hvqpz wrote
There are plenty of OEMs not forcing screens on people. Vote with your wallet.
safetyguy14 t1_j9i7ehf wrote
I don't get it... I set my car to 68 auto the day I got it and it's never been anything different
SpecialNose9325 t1_j9iut0e wrote
The physical controls on cars from 2010s were already quite minimal and worked well. Most of em used 5 buttons and a knob for the temperature, and another 5 buttons and a knob for the audio. These new touch based systems should aim to replicate that rather than put in a menu system like its a tablet. Reserve 1/3 of the screen for these 10 buttons, put in 2 physical knobs, and use the rest of the screen to do whatever fancy shit you want. Just make the 10 buttons static toggles. Hitting the heater button should turn on the heater, not pop up a menu to select the level of heating. Use it like the toggle it has always been.
schu4KSU t1_j9ifvru wrote
Here's what it needs, imo. Three modes.
auto
auto (no a/c)
auto (no heater)
NoPossibility t1_j9kl3m8 wrote
I’ve always been happy with the Hot/Cold slider + fan speed combo in my old truck. Takes half a second to move it a little in whatever temperature direction I want, and 4-5 fan speeds on the dial is completely adequate.
landwomble t1_j9jwekk wrote
Doesn't everyone just set their AC to about 21 degrees, leave it on auto and forget it?
hucktard t1_j9m97hz wrote
Nope. I live where it gets really hot in the summer and really cold with snow and ice in the winter. I want to be able to put full blast heat on my windshield sometimes, either recirculating air or pulling it from outside depending on whether there is ice on the outside or fog on the inside. In the summer I want full blast AC. In the spring and fall I generally just want air circulating from outside the car.
landwomble t1_j9o042e wrote
Sure, defrost/defog buttons get used, but summer or winter, with climate control you set a temp you want and the car sorts it out and maintains that temp. I guess with older style aircon with no temp sensing you might need to manually fiddle with it but on modern cars - I don't see the point. I don't want to be cold in summer, I want to be comfortable all year round...
psycho_driver t1_j9ii35x wrote
The best vehicle climate control system I've used so far was in a 2004 Honda Odyssey. It's so simple and works so well even my wife doesn't fight back against it.
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Tbone_Trapezius t1_j9iai2b wrote
I just wish my car knew when I need the AC compressor on. How hard is it to use the outside thermometer to decide?
psycho_driver t1_j9ii9gn wrote
Are you saying you're upset that it's using the AC compressor when it's cold out? It's doing this on purpose to dry the air so as to help keep the windows from fogging. The old style systems turned the AC compressor on with the defrost option for that reason.
Tbone_Trapezius t1_j9jljre wrote
I get in my extremely hot car and even though the temperature is set to cold I have to reach over and hit the ac button to get it to actually start to cool. It’s an annoyance but I just think it’s pretty obvious it needs to be on.
xxJohnxx t1_j9kiyun wrote
Why turn it off at all?
wishyouwouldread t1_j9l5jk4 wrote
Sounds like off is the default in their vehicle.
TheJadedSF t1_j9icsd3 wrote
Meh I don’t have a big issue with it. I keep it on auto mode 99% of the time and know what temps I like. Not much more to it.
Kurotan t1_j9gyjvb wrote
Everything should be physical buttons. I don't need that screen, I need to feel my way to controls without looking away from the road. We all know the screen is cheaper, but I'm paying 30-40k for a new car I want my buttons.