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Spartanfred104 t1_jaa3kr3 wrote

Every story I read about these types of incidents just feeds into large corporations not spending money in IT, every damn time.

Record profits but skeleton tech support, they get what they paid for.

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thieh t1_jaa4gi5 wrote

Karma are the hackers.

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Ok_Champion6840 t1_jaa73c4 wrote

So I guess hackers lied about the election. Or maybe they were so upset they decided to tank the US government and spread election fraud lies.

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g2g079 t1_jaa8wxy wrote

The same corporations which just got handed 40,000 hours of Jan 6th footage. Great!

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ladz t1_jaab3md wrote

Convenient timing to announce this. Right in the middle of their expensive Dominion lawsuit.

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drbeeper t1_jaabpxv wrote

It was Piers wasn't it?

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gregglewa t1_jaabs4m wrote

Please, please please let it be Anonymous.

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Stonius123 t1_jaae4fe wrote

What useful information could you even get from the network of disinformation?

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ImproperJon t1_jaahyx7 wrote

Well I guess the cyber terrorists have all the January 6th videos then, thanks leader Mccarthy

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TheZapster t1_jaai4k1 wrote

Oohh so the "hackers" changed the prompts that the "entertainment reporters" (aka Fucker Carlson) read on air and the hackers made them say those things about the insurrection

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dungone t1_jaaky3x wrote

Replying to g2g079 (#2,080,042)

The same corporation whose internal communications were quoted in the Dominion lawsuit followed by a one word summary by Dominion’s lawyers: “exactly”.

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blorpianblorp t1_jaamv9z wrote

Replying to Spartanfred104 (#2,078,462)

Quite a few businesses treat IT as a thankless entity. Instead of a thank you it's "hey the environment is stable and everyone can work, why do we need to spend money on IT?"

Followed by "why the fuck is there an outage again? What do we even pay IT for?"

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chaogomu t1_jaaq3za wrote

Replying to HeavensCriedBlood (#2,079,923)

Pass IT off to that unpaid intern they conned into working during the summer between college semesters. The business administration major intern.

Or use the CEO's spoiled brat as the head of IT because the kid "knows computers".

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Speculawyer t1_jab0bgz wrote

They found nothing worth stealing. 😂

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Cakeking7878 t1_jab0iyf wrote

Replying to blorpianblorp (#2,084,193)

“The building is fine, it will never catch on Fire, we don’t need a sprinkler system and we don’t need to pay taxes for a fire department”

“Why the fuck is no one coming to put out the fire??”

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qwikh1t t1_jabbp99 wrote

I just shake my head.......two years running free on a network......sloppy and I heard it was Chinese threat actors.

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Postnarcissim t1_jabdt2y wrote

Replying to feuerwehrmann (#2,079,138)

We didn’t “produce revenue” in the NOC, but routinely solved multi million dollar outages before they happened, or after the lack of an IT department at the customer end caused an outage.

It was hard to get a raise, you only got yourself promoted out of it.

But you were the first person they called. I had three screens and 2 laptops and the all of a sudden I’d have 20+ IMs asking about this or that outage while I’m working to solve it.

Everyone wanted personal updates along with the actual updates and expected it right fucking now.

Meanwhile I’ve got Suzy on the line who I’ve asked repeatedly to check if her desktop is even plugged in while I trouble shoot a fiber break and a bad router or NAS who’s disk broke and is now filling up cloud storage.

I will never go back.

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C7H5N3O6 t1_jabjbgs wrote

Pretty sure you can't ex post facto claim "hackers" when you invite Cozy Bear and other Russian state ops units to collaborate with you.

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LaJolla86 t1_jabjq96 wrote

Replying to Postnarcissim (#2,092,106)

There was a time I was going to make myself the NOC manager (I wrote and managed all our NOC software and Splunk dashboards). Then I realized it would have been one of the most thankless jobs while still having people to manage; also being the first point of major business contacts for big outages.

I quit shortly after. I had never even had a vacation until that point in 10 years.

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Postnarcissim t1_jabk278 wrote

Replying to LaJolla86 (#2,093,661)

I ran into an old coworker who was now manager of the NOC a couple years back and he offered me my old Tier 3 gig back ( I would’ve failed, been out for 5 years and all certs had lapsed) with a raise and I turned him down so fast it wasn’t funny.

I was the de facto on duty Incident Manager, they wouldn’t allow me to move into that role full time (with a 6 figure raise btw) so yeah. You have to really like abuse or the NOC to deal with it.

I occasionally think to myself maybe I’d like to go back to IT then I realize no matter how bad my life gets, it’s bette than working in IT.

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sonic_butthole_music t1_jabmt0d wrote

Replying to feuerwehrmann (#2,079,138)

That’s part of the issue but it’s also a result of changing tactics. A whole ecosystem of hacker for hire companies have sprung up and among them are initial access brokers. They gain access to a network and often sit for months, slowly expanding access and collecting information to sell to other hackers for them to exploit. A few years ago the average time between an attacker gaining a foothold and exploitation was 5 hours. It’s grown to 9 months today.

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Crizbibble t1_jabs4az wrote

Replying to Spartanfred104 (#2,078,462)

IT is so low priority it’s sickening. I left corporate IT a couple years ago to start my own shop but I failed because nobody will pay me enough for the work I do. They try to become your friend and then expect you to do free work for endless hours while paying half or a quarter of your invoice. If you walk in the door you get hit by 20 crying minions begging you to fix everything under the sun and by the time you get to the work you are there for you are burnt out already cause you know it was all for free. I love IT and been building systems since 1977 but it’s one of the worst jobs there is in corporate America. Thankless and you are blamed for everything under the sun plus all the fake friends you make along the way. People suck.

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petepro t1_jabs823 wrote

'conservative' lol

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nadmaximus t1_jabth6m wrote

They still are. But they were for two years, too.

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Dave37 t1_jabyq45 wrote

Fox 'News' still features a lot of hacks as hosts on their shows.

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En-papX t1_jac6yig wrote

They made us say the Dominian voting machines were rigged.

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NewPresWhoDis t1_jachrai wrote

They didn't get free protection bending over for Putin?

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sip487 t1_jachskr wrote

Replying to Postnarcissim (#2,093,736)

I’ve been working in NOC’s for years but only in telecom and although it’s stress full I fucking love the NOC 4 day work week and everyone leaves you alone if nothing is broken.

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pzerr t1_jact5jd wrote

Replying to Spartanfred104 (#2,078,462)

Agree on the value they assign it. Is too low.

Knowing a couple of incidents first hand, this is going to be a very difficult problem to fix. The biggest issue is that IT is IT's worst enemy. Unlike most departments, management has to fully rely on IT's word that they are following and implementing security policies that are effective. These policies suck for IT personnel though as they make their job much harder. Thus they love to take shortcuts. Attacks come in a few vectors but predominantly they like to hold data for ransom or in this case, may love the Intel they can get. Virus scanners work mainly on known viruses and new viruses can get past them.

So here is an actual true attack I was personally involved in. Large company with very good virus scanning has employee install, unwittingly, a remote access application. Some new virus but it took the employee's approval. Employees need internet access and draconian restrictions result in IT being chastised by said employees. So IT hates being hated and tries to accommodate for multitude of reasons that results in less secure networks. Once remote access is running, bad guys install apps to make virus scanners appear functional but do nothing. Then they install keystroke recorders while scanning the network and just getting a lay off the land. At some point an IT technician is officially at this computer because for 'some reason' it lost access to a shared resource. Oh it just needs elevation. Instead of pulling out their laptop and logging into their secure desk computer few stories up, they decide to use said employees desktop instead to access their computer and update the infected computers credentials. This alone is not dangerous because the infected computers does not have access to backups. But the Keylogger on it has now transmitted the IT personnel access credentials to the bad guys. Later that night when business closed, they use the infected computers to log into the IT technician's computer. From there they install additional keyloggers and review access and any other software they want. Then they they watch this guy as he does upper level maintenance across their network for weeks/months. Maybe they get into a few more computers until bingo, someone maintains a backup that gets keylogged. Ransomware attack encrypts all databases and the backup and demands for two million dollars shows up.

In this particular case, luckily an off-site backup is found but it is a month old. Lots of employees trying to recover by memory some of the lost data. Management angry because IT been telling them they are following best practices. IT angry because they truely could use more money. Regardless, more money won't fix a guy that is too lazy or too overworked or doesn't care or... to start up his secure laptop or real two floors up to insure he is not using elevated services on a compromised system.

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thePsychonautDad t1_jactbfi wrote

Somebody was inside without their consent?

Did they try to relax and enjoy it at least?

And maybe it wouldn't have happened if their server had been dressed properly, instead of having its ports exposed like that...

Well, it was god's will. Thoughts and prayers.

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the-hottest-of-damns t1_jacu5bn wrote

No no no, you got it all wrong. Those are hacks, and they’re the reporters.

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pleachchapel t1_jadiy7t wrote

Replying to feuerwehrmann (#2,079,138)

I heard it described this way once: IT is not a value creator, it is a value multiplier. That works in both directions. Shit IT can eliminate the most productive employee's contributions, & the proper wizarding department can automate a ton of hair pulling to let your employees do what they do best.

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feuerwehrmann t1_jadkghb wrote

Replying to pleachchapel (#2,114,263)

It is a shame how some companies don't consider IT to be an asset. There are a number of places where off the shelf and consultants rule the land and they then wonder why the hell it is difficult to get a simple task done

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jnemesh t1_jadlxky wrote

There is absolutely NOTHING "conservative" about News Corp. They are right-wing extremists.

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WillBottomForBanana t1_jadm6kg wrote

Replying to DeepSignature201 (#2,104,753)

The chance that chinese hackers were trying to get into the system are >99%.

Who was actually successful, and which of those who were successful are a meaningful problem is easy to obfuscate when you can semi-factually say that chinese hackers were in the system.

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g2g079 t1_jadwy2a wrote

Replying to NaturalNines (#2,116,002)

I'm not a fan of security footage deliberately falling in the hands of someone who helped stoke a terrorist attack. Releasing it to Carlson will do nothing but make it easier for them to be successful next time. It's pretty fucked up that a third of Americans support domestic terrorists.

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