happyscrappy t1_j8qns2v wrote on February 16, 2023 at 6:38 AM

Reply to comment by Badfickle in Tesla Agrees To Open Thousands Of Its Chargers To Other EVs By 2024 by 10MinsForUsername

> Don't you think its likely that the the delay by a couple months of opening the network might have been because they knew this was coming down the pike?

I don't believe it is a delay "of a couple months". This is the company that will have self driving by the end of the year for 6 years running.

Musk promised this by the end of last year and now the current tweets say 7500 chargers "by the end of 2024". How is that "a couple months"?

> Also there are already Tesla level 2 destination chargers open to non-tesla drivers with an adapter.

Jimmying into their system is no credit to Tesla. The adapters trick the chargers.

Tesla also started to install J1772 ports (fewer than Tesla ports, but still) with their destination chargers at some sites (like hotels, etc.) after a while. But only after the government said that the site operators (again, like hotels, etc.) couldn't get any tax credits for EV infrastructure if they were only installing chargers with Tesla connectors.

It worked before. Time to do it again. For sure don't give them money for 7500 chargers and so far empty promises. And take away all their benefits/handouts as well as CCS charging for their cars until the commit to fully joining the CCS charging infrastructure (with their DC network).

Badfickle t1_j8rkvqz wrote on February 16, 2023 at 1:27 PM

>I don't believe it is a delay "of a couple months". This is the company that will have self driving by the end of the year for 6 years running.

I mean its February. Why wouldn't they open them up now that the government is handing out free money to do what they were planning on doing anyway?

>Jimmying into their system is no credit to Tesla. The adapters trick the chargers.

That's strange since Tesla sells on their website charging stations that work with non-EVs. But I guess Tesla doesn't get credit for that because ...reasons.

>Tesla also started to install J1772 ports (fewer than Tesla ports, but still) with their destination chargers at some sites (like hotels, etc.) after a while.

In other words they started doing last year what you said they didn't.

https://shop.tesla.com/product/j1772-wall-connec

happyscrappy t1_j8s9twb wrote on February 16, 2023 at 4:25 PM

> I mean its February. Why wouldn't they open them up now that the government is handing out free money to do what they were planning on doing anyway?

The only statements made that they were going to open up were under government pressure. Claiming they were just going to open up regardless is ridiculous. Especially when even now with money going to them they still are not opening over 80% of their chargers.

> That's strange since Tesla sells on their website charging stations that work with non-EVs. But I guess Tesla doesn't get credit for that because ...reasons.

We're talking about installations, not EVSE offerings. We're talking about Tesla as a charging network operator, not an accessory vendor.

> In other words they started doing last year what you said they didn't.

No. When I'm talking about opening up I'm talking about DCFC, not AC charging.

And this addition of J1772 was before last year. And it was only in response to the government indicating that tax credits would not be available to sites that install systems that only have Tesla ports.

They didn't do it to "open up", but because the government regulated them.

And I propose further regulation to produce future "good deeds" of this sort from Tesla. You seem to be a fan of these results, why would you be against the government getting more such good results?