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lebastss t1_j8nto2t wrote

Reply to comment by h2g2Ben in Tesla Agrees To Open Thousands Of Its Chargers To Other EVs By 2024 by 10MinsForUsername

Should be illegal to put proprietary products on public land.

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fmfbrestel t1_j8o4aq7 wrote

They're not on actual "rest stops". Those don't even have gas stations. They're talking about the hunks of commercial real estate at highway exits with fast food and gas stations. Lots of times a single developer owns the whole area and just leases spots to other people looking to cater to weary travelers.

The claim being made here, which I haven't heard before but wouldn't surprise me, is that when Tesla leases a hunk of land from one of these developers they do so with the agreement that no other charging station will be allowed to lease on the same property.

No public land involved.

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lebastss t1_j8of850 wrote

Oh thanks for the clarification. Thats a misuse of the term test stop, at least in California. I'm a real estate developer and started out doing commercial land off freeways in rural areas and we specifically could not refer to ourselves as a rest stop in advertising.

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creepyswaps t1_j8oucn1 wrote

>we specifically could not refer to ourselves as a rest stop in advertising

"service plaza"

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bayarea_fanboy t1_j8s0l8z wrote

OK, thanks for the clarification. Still a dick move from the point of view of EV proliferation, so good to hear this may be changing.

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AlexSpaghetti t1_j8nv3go wrote

Is it public land?

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lebastss t1_j8nwrr5 wrote

A rest stop is public land afaik. In every state I've lived in but I've never lived in the north east of the US.

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Tomcatjones t1_j8o8v2x wrote

They aren’t talking about Actual rest stop. More like trucks stops, or ubran off ramp commercial areas, where people tend to “stop and rest”

Like Tesla has a contract with Meijer grocery stores in Michigan. that contract allowed them to get chargers throughout the states fast in high traffic areas

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lebastss t1_j8ofjwj wrote

That makes more sense. I thought they were putting these at actual rest stops out there which would be crazy to me.

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lordkiwi t1_j8prju9 wrote

I have never heard of Tesla going to an exclusive agreement on charging stations. In NJ one turnpike rest stop will have Tesla the next rest stop will have EVGo or a different CCS network. I have been to many targes with both Tesla and another network. Wawa alternate between tesla and CCS or have both.

I do know walmart has an exclusive agreement with Electrify America.

https://insideevs.com/news/353625/electrify-america-walmart-120-charging-stations/

When a site wants to deploy Tesla Destination chargers. Tesla always recommends they install one CCS if they are installing at least 6 Tesla ports.

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The other thing about stations is it doesn't tell you how many ports. A typical Electrify America station has 2 150kw chargers and 2 350kw , 4 total. Tesla stations average 10 total chargers.

What you don't understand is just how many more Tesla chargers are deployed vs CCS. But it does make since when you realize 75% of all EV in the US Where Tesla's in 2022.

But I digress. This helps everyone except Electrify America. Non Tesla chargers are so unreliable. CCS drivers are going to flood to Tesla chargers. And since these chargers are on the most profitable spots on the highway. There going to cut into EA revenue like a axe.

https://www.motorwayamerica.com/editorial/ev-charging-network-plagued-reliability-problems

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