Submitted by OutlandishnessOk2452 t3_11aa4k2 in technology
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ElementNumber6 t1_j9t3g6b wrote
> The internet used to be sort of an escape
But then big companies began coercing and conditioning people to reveal their true identities and various points of deeply personal information, and now here we are, and things are only likely to get worse.
tso t1_j9vbob8 wrote
Because back then it was about pseudonymity, the old quip about "nobody knows you're a dog" etc.
Now it has become all about self marketing, brand and identity.
Everyone is trying to become some kind of internet celebrity.
Thing is that history has a long long list of the damage celebrity attention can do to a young mind.
rememberyoubreath t1_j9t7oxz wrote
or rather it's because it's an escape ...
kimokimosabee t1_j9udbcw wrote
It's still an escape. Just look around at reddit comments example.
tso t1_j9vc5gz wrote
Reddit is a bit different, as it leans closer to webforums and usenet.
This in large part thanks to having little to no focus on "you", including little in the way of a user profile.
Facebook, Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok, etc etc etc, is all about "you". Getting your idealized self out there in image and video.
nicuramar t1_j9r1yjj wrote
> The link between teen girls’ mental health and social media usage is not just correlational, argues an NYU-Stern professor: There is now solid evidence that it is causal. The argument coincides with the European Union banning TikTok from official devices
How are those things related at all? I doubt the E.U. employs many teenage girls.
bkussow t1_j9r5h16 wrote
Someone posted the original article from the professor the other day on r/daddit so I gave it a read (it's a little lengthy).
The main article focuses on studies performed as far back as the early 2010's so it focuses more on impact from social media like Facebook and instagram. That last sentence is not something mentioned and merely the secondary article trying to make a connection.
I would suggest reading the original though. It is a fascinating area of study that is only going to get more important going forward.
bryguy001 t1_j9s0cl8 wrote
If I'm remembering correctly, that article was basically lying by omission. If you looked at the data going back to the 90's, 97 was the worst year -- way before social media existed.
bkussow t1_j9s1t9z wrote
You are remembering wrong. They state the depression pandemic started 2012 so they don't really go earlier than that.
nicuramar t1_j9splaj wrote
Right. Thanks :)
UnderYourSkin11 t1_j9sow8o wrote
Hasn't this been studied and proven enough times?
technurse t1_j9t3l4m wrote
I miss the early 2000s internet. Neopets, OSRS, MSN messenger.
Appropriate-Night-68 t1_j9u43l4 wrote
To me this was peak internet. Many had high speed internet at home and were able to discover new music, news, ideas, etc. but before social media and smartphones so we weren't the self indulgent zombies when we were out in public.
technurse t1_j9u9ros wrote
Conspiracy theories were a side thing people read about. They weren't specifically motivated by politics, and largely a little quirky corner of the internet.
tso t1_j9vcczo wrote
The basic thing was that you could not bring internet with you.
Thus it was something you engaged with deliberately.
Now it is in your pocket all day.
PhilipLiptonSchrute t1_j9vcnmd wrote
A/S/L?
Catji t1_j9tiska wrote
BOYS LIVES MATTER too
They should stop talking crap and deal with the roots of the problem. From patriarchy/''sexism'' to hyper-consumer culture/mentality.
Durtwerdy12 t1_j9rsq1w wrote
A perceptive genius of the brain kind, made this observation. In the 90's and early 2000's, it was magazines and movies and pictures. now, it's just electronic pictures. The commonality is the population that it affects; Young females.
tan5taafl t1_j9tm549 wrote
Considering most every other indicator of teen life is better than the last 10-20 years, I’m leaning in this direction.
The constant barrage of doomsday articles and outrage triggers in media paints a picture that’s not real and leverages existential crisis for profit. Even my sons who are heavy in social media have parroted click-bate headlines.
StrangerThanGene t1_j9qr0pe wrote
Pretty sure everything has a link to mental health.
technurse t1_j9t3mmg wrote
A link and a positive correlation are 2 different things.
StuffyGoose t1_j9s1jx2 wrote
Just take the damn phone away or get parental controls. Tired of this nonsense about how social media is causing some sort of mental health crisis in kids. It's just lazy parenting.
Beneficial-Bit6383 t1_j9sgo4l wrote
Yea then just closely monitor all friends they have (they could be showing them social media), chaperone all their activities (what if they go to the library to create a social media account) and search their rooms for any illicit electronics. And if they become resentful of you just punish them, they’ll appreciate it eventually.
Edit: a tragic /s
_Happy_Sisyphus_ t1_j9tl309 wrote
I don’t think you should be regularly searching your kids rooms. They deserve some privacy.
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-seventhseal- t1_j9uiuow wrote
You were okay with everything else they said?
kimokimosabee t1_j9udnhs wrote
Yeah people don't like to take accountability for themselves. At the end of the day you have control over your actions.
v12vanquish t1_j9s3xa8 wrote
Sky is blue says study
lLazaran t1_j9si4z2 wrote
Control oneself, if it sucks to use, don't. Not female, but Gen Z and I've never understood the social media thing. Always felt like a ton of effort. Even being on Discord, sometimes I get burned out and don't go back for a month. I lurk on Reddit but 90% of that is trying to find interesting shit. So many people I knew growing up, some close friends, struggled with social media and were depressed because of it and I truly never got it. Like cyberbullying, u dont like it, turn the phone/computer off XD
DOGE_lunatic t1_j9snl71 wrote
I would say that depression from SM comes from envy or the “dream life” shown and accepted as normal when you struggle to stay alive paycheck to paycheck
LadyMoonsong t1_j9rh7nr wrote
Allocate more resources for women and girls mental health!
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9qyn2j wrote
I don't know a single teenage girl that hasn't gotten anxious and thought it was about her body image, it's nature
DanielPhermous t1_j9r1v53 wrote
> it's nature
Or possibly it's our culture, or her parents, or her environment, or her friends, or social media, or media, or advertising - or all of the above.
Let's not blame the gender when it could easily be any number of ubiquitous factors.
k0nstantine t1_j9tg2ot wrote
He's replying to the topic of the article, which is teenage girls. No one is blaming the gender. What you're attempting to refute is that body image issues are part of nature. I would love to see your evidence that they are not.
Depression was invented when Myspace came out and before video games there was no violence. /s
DanielPhermous t1_j9ti4rt wrote
> What you're attempting to refute is that body image issues are part of nature.
I refuted nothing of the sort. You're reading into my comment what you want to see, presumably so you can have a nice, cathartic argument.
No, my point was that there are many factors at play and simply - and only - blaming the gender is simplistic and could easily be read as sexist.
k0nstantine t1_j9tloy7 wrote
...you quoted the part saying "its nature" and made your argument against this being a natural part of human psyche, then tried to invent a new argument about "blaming the gender" where *no one* in this article or comments has said this was only one gender, or the fault of the gender. What are you smokin, I want some
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9r20yc wrote
If it happens in every culture, is it nature or nurture?
DanielPhermous t1_j9r503v wrote
Every culture has, at some point, relegated women to be lesser members of society. That tends to linger in a culture.
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9r5il6 wrote
Women, especially going through puberty, are going to have more self image issues. We are always trying to find someone to blame. Is it unnatural to say that boys have more risk taking behavior in their teen years? No. So why is this so crazy?
DanielPhermous t1_j9r6fvs wrote
> Women, especially going through puberty, are going to have more self image issues.
But you suggested that's all it is. Do you honestly think that, say, advertising with all the perfect models on show there, has no impact on the self-image of girls and women?
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9r74on wrote
I think it exacerbates what's already there, but I do not see a solution to that, how would you stop that? This article is just an anecdote and not news to anyone. It started with magazines, then MTV, now the Internet... it will never go away. Girls will always find a way to compare themselves to other girls. The only solution is dealing directly with the women that are being advertised to. Self-esteem starts from within.. putting blinders on these girls won't help. I'm sorry if I come off as impatient.. It's hard to be compassionate when you see things like this
Noman800 t1_j9rwu0k wrote
This article is citing a professor who has collected a pretty significant body of studies showing that social media has directly caused a significant increase in mental health issues in adolescence girls.
It's not just an anecdote, it's far more than this article. Did you read it?
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9rz832 wrote
This is news to no one, there are a litany of studies about women and low self-esteem, It's just natural
Noman800 t1_j9rzfu7 wrote
So you're just an ass who didn't read any of the studies. Good to know so I don't waste my time.
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9rzjc5 wrote
I guess you're an idiot that didn't already know.
Rexia2022 t1_j9r6ymx wrote
How do you know it happens in every culture, do you have any data?
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9r7ivk wrote
Do you know one where this is not the case?  If you can't think of a single exception on your own, maybe that indicates a pattern with nature.
Rexia2022 t1_j9r7sy9 wrote
You're the one making the claim. If you can't provide the evidence you based the claim on you're clearly just making things up.
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9r8enj wrote
That's not how that works, you can't prove a negative.
Rexia2022 t1_j9r8t8i wrote
That's not proving a negative. You've said teenage girls have body image issues in every culture, so show me the data on body image issues in every culture. Or just admit you don't know if that's actually true.
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9r98me wrote
If you are being intellectually honest with yourself and you can't think of one culture, maybe there's a problem
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The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9ra0p3 wrote
Keep believing in Santa my friend, i'm sure if you look through every single chimney in the world you'll find him 😂
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The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9rae22 wrote
"Santa doesn't exist"
"oh yeah, show me every chimney in the world then or you're just a liar"
Women have more self-esteem issues in most societies throughout most of time.. hold on, let me get you a list of all of time. Do you know what pedantry means?
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Rexia2022 t1_j9rbzlc wrote
There is no other actual discussion, why would anyone discuss opinions you form by just going with what kinda feels right?
Anyhow, this point it's pretty clear I'm basically talking to an advanced parrot, you can say the words but there's no real human thought behind them. I'm not wasting more time on that.
The_Bridge_Imperium t1_j9r9h75 wrote
It's so intellectually lazy, it's like saying "based off evidence we don't think Santa is true", but you want a camera in every chimney, Pedantry at its best.
Rexia2022 t1_j9r9ut8 wrote
That's proving a negative, i.e. the nonexistent of Santa. You made a positive claim that you can't prove.
BlogeOb t1_j9qvaak wrote
The internet used to be sort of an escape, but algorithms make sure it themes follow you everywhere