The boundless wisdom of unimpeded capitalism will solve this

I think we will see the triple A gaming industry eventually adjust system requirements/performance to conform with he new realities of the market. No point making games for the 4060 as the recommended GPU when most of the market cannot afford that. Also, AI based upscaling might help alleviate things on the hardware requirement front.

In many ways I see parallels between the current component price crisis and the 1970s fuel crisis. As a result of the oil shock back then, big muscle cars gave way to smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles. The focus moved from raw power to efficiency and cost. We saw the rise of the compact and sub-compact cars, which did not exist in the US back in the 50s and 60s.

I think the computer market will go thru the same process now. IGPUs/APUs could become the baseline for gaming moving forward.

I for one refuse to pay $500+ for a discrete GPU and I don't think I am in the minority.

I guess where I'm confused is... So what? My 2080 graphics card in my Lenovo desktop from 2019 runs everything I've ever thrown at it.

This sounds like a problem for people who buy a new smartphone every year, not for anyone with enough sense to not "need" a card or other hardware that came out less than 6 months ago to me.

Maybe I'm just missing something.

I think it's the opposite. With manafacturers constantly pushing the edge higher and higher the result is the mid market gets discounted lower and lower. You don't neeeeed to buy the top end GPUs when building a new rig. My 2080 serves me just fine right now.

Exactly! This is more about the hype/marketing strangling the weak minded.

Also, PC gaming is much, much more, than AAA games. In the last 10-15 years, there were only a few triple A titles that caught my attention, while I fully enjoyed many indie games, and they require much more modest hardware.

PC gaming will be fine. The 34th installment of the same, regurgitated, boring concept covered in beautiful, but otherwise meaningless graphics? Maybe not so much, but they won't be missed anyway.

I do agree the lower cards are more the. Fine a 1060 will play almost every game out there some of the market is for people who want to have the best, some is for work. I have the 4090 not because I need it to play a game I have it because I want it and can run everything on ultra. The game looks nicer. But that being said even if it did not look nice I would still play said game because I enjoy the game.

Maybe this is an age thing but as an old timer I do think it's kind of wild we have multiple people in this thread talking about their crappy old 2080, like my brother in christ that's a $700 GPU, it's insane for that to be the 'barely hanging in there' card.

Yes, lol. The window has been moved. By a lot. The mining craze, pandemic, supply crisis, scalping, Nvidia taking maximum advantage of it all... All this has normalized paying more than 500 for a gpu. People now go up to 2000+.

I think for decades we have been accustomed to buying the latest/maxed out components when buying/building a new computer. Primarily because there was a huge improvement over the tech from 2yrs prior. No longer the situation and our lust for the best vs cost can't be rationalized

I think they will just push everyone to game streaming from the cloud. maybe when valve gets bored with the steam deck.

I'm fairly sure they look at the steam stats when they make a game and make sure it'll run ok on at least the top 70% of the in-use market.

Sure, you have to turn stuff off/down, but it still should play ok.

It's a volume business. They need sales. They need to target the audience that exists.

I'll note the 1060 is finally the #2 card on steam.

A 6 year old mid range card is still way up there in the market. It'll be hard for game designers to not target it.

it is a problem when games like hogwarts legacy barely holds 1080p60 fps on an RTX4090 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zofJ5yFvajA

Eventually, but we are still many years away from that. Maybe once 5G becomes ubiquitous globally and the datacenters more geographically distributed this will be the case. But until then, most games will need to be run locally.

LOL my 2016 graphics card is still 2/3 the price it was in 2016 accounting for inflation according to newegg. What a fucking failure of the "free market"

Time to actually start writing more effective code and efficient hardware use.

A 1060 SHOULD play almost every game out there. The games that don't are mostly open world RPGs like we had in 2014 with low graphics settings options omitted.

The power consumption is what offends me most. Like, by now you should be able to play games on 200 watts, but nope, 500+ watts or GTFO.

The 2080 is a 215 watt gpu. Games should run on 60 watt gpus like they used to.

Your comment is supposed to be ironic but yes. Nvidia and AMD will soon stop fabricating expensive gpus if they don’t bring them enough money because no one can buy them. They’re companies, not cartoon villains who make expensive products just to fuck with the poors.

The tech is still hugely better over 2 generations, but the power consumption keeps rising. Somehow a 120 watt last gen GPU became entry level.

Games sell hardware. A Nvidia partnership game is made to make the most common hardware obsolete, so new hardware can be sold.

The games industry has split into three, AAA games, free to play microtransaction games, and indie games. The industry wants to kill indie games because they don't generate any shareholder returns. They will obliterate Steam with frivolous lawsuits and givaways, and then the creativity that big corporations can't compete with will go away.

The ray tracing is broken thats why. I'm playing at 120fps in 1440p Ultra settings with RT off. 5800x/3070ti.

A 1060 should struggle with new titles. The card is almost 7 years old... sure it can run things 1080p low settings at 30fps but thats not as playable as it used to be for me.

If Apple can’t turn this plus VR into a successful foray into gaming, then they really don’t want it.

Last week I finally chose to upgrade my AMD RX 580 to a RX 6750 XT. I often consider my computer to be somewhat on the good side of mid-tier, and I think that's hard to judge, but its the baseline I go for.

When looking into a new GPU, my main goal was to find a card that is probably going to run better than what my current CPU and RAM may allow, so my GPU will be bottlenecked by my other hardware, however, I didn't feel the need to get top of the line, nor could I afford it, so I set a budget for around $700.

Decided to not use Amazon for my seller and went to Newegg. I narrowed down to my 6750 XT 12GB for $470 - with a $70 off coupon code at checkout to make it $400 - or, 6800 16GB for $600.

I was really stuck between the two because after a lot of comparing and benchmark videos, of course the 6800 was the better performer, but not by a large margin. it was really the debate between the 12 and 16 Gigs of VRAM that I questioned. I did glace through Nivida cards, and saw even the high end GPUs were 12Gigs so I was confused, because 16GB should be a no brainer. I posted on r/PcBuild for advice, which I appreciate the helpful responses, and was starting to lean towards the 6750 when I found a JayzTwoCentz video, specifically about GPU VRAM. It was very insightful and I'm glad I went with the cheaper option.

I'm proud to say I've built this PC and did my best to chose the best parts for my budget, but damn are specs complicated and not overly intuitive for me. Choosing an affordable GPU for what you really need without overspending is probably the most challenging with 5 slightly different models for the same gen card and...ugh, it still makes my head hurt. Luckily my next upgrade will just to get a couple more RAM cards for 32Gigs. When I ran an ingame stress test of Hogwarts Legacy by flying around the map and through the Forbidden Forest, the new GPU handled fairly well and the VRAM was sitting between 7-10gigs while my actual RAM was maxing around 15 of my 16gigs consistantly. I'm not even sure what that fully tells me, but I know games are starting to become more demanding anyway, and RAM for the most part is cheap, so I am fine upgrading to 32, even if I really do not need it.

I guess we have to wait and see what a 120 watt GPU can do this generation.

That's why I upgraded to my current GPU. However, to be fair, I do think my RX 580 was starting to show its age and I knew it was not going to favor a lot that would be coming out fairly soon. I could still play on mid settings mostly fine, but this game specifically, had some graphic bugs - mostly with WILD water textures getting streched all over the place making vision impossible. Also, the area around where I customize my wand, I'm guessing it was the "hitbox" even though it was not an active item. Anyway, after poking around online, I found others with the same issues and we all had the same card, I think I saw a 570 but close enough.

I'm not nearly as much of a gamer as I use to be, hell I dropped gaming for almost two years and only really got back in when Spiderman and Days Gone dropped on Steam. Not long after I finished Days Gone, Hogwarts Legacy was just a couple months on the horizon. Not sure what I'll pick up next, but I like to keep my system ready all the same. Also, I planned for upgrading my main components when I built my PC, one piece at a time every few years. I'm not entirely sure where my Ryzen 5 3600 sits currently, from what I understand it's still a humble, but competitive, piece I hope to get a few more years out of.

lol. that ship has sailed. back in 360 era.

current hardware for consumer cant push physics, hd assets and native. its all upscale tech . be it internal game engine stuff/fsr/dlss.

The gist of the article is that NVIDIA and AMD are focusing on the halo tier at the exclusion of all else and pricing their cards in an effort to maintain cryptoboom margins in the face of crypto collapsing like a neutron star (for the third time).

If you needed a sub-$900 card today, your options are 1) pay $100-$200 over MSRP for RTX 30 stock, 2) try to snag RDNA2 products before the remaining stock pool evaporates, 3) hope most of your games use DX12 or Vulkan on ARC.

Adding to that, performance gains have basically flatlined at the sub $400 price point. $380 in 2016 got you a GTX 1070. $300 in 2023 gets you...OCed GTX 1070 performance from AMD and NVIDIA. Intel shines here when a game gets along well with their drivers. When a game doesn't, you get performance on par with a GTX 1050 Ti.

$200 gets you cards that aren't even as perfomant as the $200 options from 7 years ago.

I’m running a 1080ti and can play whatever I want.

This article is a bit off imo. Any computer can run almost any game these days. Sure you can go overboard with your spending it it’s completely unnecessary. An i5-2500k and a 970 will probably play 99% of future 2023 releases just fine.

Is every article a vitriolic argument now? Are we blaming people for not spending their money correctly?

Ya, I think we are likely to see AAA PC Gaming give more way to consoles in that light. The consoles themselves are cheaper and easier to optimize for.

Agreed. I finally upgraded because a few games I wanted to play wouldn't run on mubGTX970. But I note sims like X-Plane 12 and I think MSFS have the 970 as recommended. So it varies.

I have yet to see a game requiring rtx30+.

I got into the pc hardware scene late 2016. Back then (even though it was only 7 years ago lol) things were a lot more affordable. 10 series was just coming out and was fairly priced for the big performance leap it was. Technology has advanced today and I understand that thing’s naturally get more expensive to research and develop but the top end gpu now costs 1,600 and the best of the time then which was the 1080ti cost 700 dollars. Things have gotten way out of wack. Several of my older pc building buddies have put a new rig on hold and are using a ps5 or Xbox because they’re affordable for good performance and a comparable pc is something like 1k usd. What sucks about all of this is that things will only get worse …. Not better.

Lots of companies put themselves out of business for short term profit. But that’s not the case here.

Casual and entry level PC gamers have moved to laptops and used gear from crypto and one of those is temporary. Hell, Intel is entering the market from the bottom!

But also the top end of the market expanded as people found a new way to show off. Just like cars and TVs and houses etc. There’s no issue here. Different, not worse.

Using ultra-enthusiast hardware as an excuse not to make anything run well is strangling PC gaming.

That said, I haven't bought a PC game from those studios in a decade, so carry on. I'll be over here playing fifty roguelites and loving it :P

Can't wait for late 2024/early 2025 when the next gen of cards comes out and is somehow even more expensive. Oh, maybe they'll use even more wattage and take up even more space in my case, too! Can't wait for that.

Meanwhile I bought an MSI laptop in 2018 on Black Friday and other than the case falling apart, there have been 0 issues.

Thats not a hardware problem. It doesn't matter what GPU you have with that game, it still stutters. So why pay $1500 when you will have the same experience as a $500 card?

“Runs everything” on what settings? That’s a caviar

KSP 2 has a 2060 as minimum and a 3080 as recommended.

They're already struggling to move hardware. CPU and GPU sales have plummeted. Steam seems far too entrenched to be ousted when people are tired of multiple launchers and all the others are dogshit. I collect every free Epic game, I have hundreds, and I've never given them a cent.

I've also noticed that the window for acceptable in-game specs has changed too. It used to be that the target was 1080p and 60 fps which even the lowest end card can do now. But now people want to be able to play at 1440p 120+fps or even at 4k 60fps. The 1060 can generally get 50-60 fps at 1080p. We've seen a huge leap in power these last three generations and card prices are reflecting that.

Game Developers publishing games that only play correctly on obscenely expensive hardware is strangling PC gaming.

Twas always thus. It was why I only played consoles until Civ V came out and I had to have a PC to play it.

Epic games freebies will win in the end. Distributing digital content isn't very expensive, and it undercuts Steam. New indie developers cannot compete with free games. Your time and hard drive space belongs to Epic.

I remember when people bitched an moaned about Steam when HL2 was released. It was evil DRM back then. Ha!

I maxed out at paying 200 bucks for a used 1070! I did also spend 3k on a fatbike and new frame/fork for my other mtb so I guess shifting priorities. Zwift looks sweet on 1070 though!

And yet the compact VW Beetle did exist… are you saying the US didn’t make compact cars? They def were being made at the time and were being sold in the US

Yup, I remember being so annoyed with Counter-Strike 1.6 on Steam. Waiting to download HL2. The platform was a laggy mess. To their credit, they've come a long way since then, and it seems clear enough to me that other launchers don't have the desire or ability to match even a fraction of Steam's features.

Yeap, I have zero issues with ray tracing off. All other settings on high with my 1080.

What the hell??? Why??? I understand the original KSP is now over 10 years old and not being updated anymore, but why such demanding system requirements for the sequel?

Is it just a crappy excuse to force us to upgrade our hardware, considering A LOT has changed over 10+ years? Corporate greed? Both at the same time?

Eh I have epic on my PC to collect the free games……..but I buy games on steam

I'm not at all confident in that prediction. Steam's current projections suggest Epic's impact on sales units stabilised last year, with sales expected to recover and surpass pre-Epic figures over the next 5 years. The platform has significant stickiness for millenial gamers, who now have dominating consumer power alongside decade-old Steam libraries.

Regarding indie games, the number of indie titles released roughly doubles every 5 years, meanwhile AAA titles have declined over the long term with the exception of a post-covid release backlog. As for "indie devs can't compete with free games"... at least 20% of the most popular indie games on Steam are freemiums...

Suffice to say, there are many features of the market that point toward the resilience of Steam against loss-leading AAA competitors.

It's the same model for cars and houses. It's a model that works great when the market volume is limited. You have limited sales, and you maximize profits to that limited number by focusing almost exclusively at the high end. It's a model that's good for business but forces customers to buy nothing, buy old, or buy into only the high end at exorbitant prices. ALL the in-between stuff is gone.

For video card makers, they have a unique hurdle. They are pushing hard into edge case tech, pushing as far as they can achieve with the physics of materials. And outside of ideological change of structure optimizations and good software optimization, this is really just a game of attempting to produce at the edge of science and do so without massive scrap losses. Worse yet, all the costs are tied into the process of it all, so cards from low end to high end barely cost different. It doesn't cost them hardly anything less to produce a bottom tier video card, but they'll make a lot less from it. Plus they have to be competitive with other brands and older generations of themselves. The push for performance and push for higher cost go hand-in-hand making sure the new stuff remains just barely the better value.

For raw cost, crypto miners and scalpers have played a big part of scarcity, unfortunately. And they are driving real costs well above MSRP. This in turn makes older cards more valuable and pushes up the entire market space as a whole. Everything is expensive just for the sake of being expensive. A few people simply exist to make a pile of money from it. And for these dumb reasons a 10 year old card can be sold for as much as it was bought new a decade ago.

Now our saving grace as PC gamers is that games have long become very flexible in hardware needs. The transition to Steam and the high analytics it brought to manufacturers showed quite starkly how ancient people's hardware had become. Game developers are forced to temper their designs to work on much, much older hardware. This has provided a customer base with a LOT of breathing room for holding onto very old tech or only performing very minor upgrades to retain the ability to play brand new games.

This used to not be the case at all. In the early days games forced hardware development, to the point where every new game was nearly unplayable on anything but the absolute newest hardware. You HAD to upgrade your entire computer every 2 to 4 years just to play anything new. You couldn't simply set graphics to low and magically make an older PC play it. The tech and software advanced way too fast. You could literally spend $3k on a brand new PC, and there was a chance that it could not play the game that was coming out 6 months later. The technology race was that aggressive.

This ground to a halt in the late 90s and early 2000s when this model was no longer viable. It shifted the burden of flexibility on game developers and forced them to slow down and accommodate. Today, you can play current year titles with a 15 year old PC. Not long ago that was unfathomable.

However, what this has also created was this weird vacuum in the hardware world. There actually isn't much driving next generations. You do have commercial users and professionals wanting faster task speeds for simulations, rendering, etc. But outside of that, PC gamers haven't really had drivers outside of high res monitors. There isn't much actually pushing graphics cards these days. Many developers are also bound by the heavy console market that are all stuck in one time period in history, and all these new titles have to work on them too. But for PC folks, the push is pretty much solely monitor resolution, stepping from 1080 to 4k and now into 8k. The need for that isn't even worthwhile. It's just there. And it's about the only thing pushing video cards forward. Sure, there's ray tracing too, but that's a singular use case. You still have developers catering to decade or older tech, so the game itself can never really ever again push the boundaries like it used to. And thinks like 4k, 8k, multi-monitor, etc. are just throughput equations. So the game in today's graphics card world is just that, throughput of pixel volume.

> For raw cost, crypto miners and scalpers have played a big part of scarcity, unfortunately. And they are driving real costs well above MSRP. This in turn makes older cards more valuable and pushes up the entire market space as a whole. Everything is expensive just for the sake of being expensive. A few people simply exist to make a pile of money from it. And for these dumb reasons a 10 year old card can be sold for as much as it was bought new a decade ago.

The demand for GPUs for crypto mining should be fairly low nowadays - it was primarily Ethereum being mined with GPUs, and Ethereum switched to proof of stake (no mining). So that demand has fallen away entirely.

4k 120 fps is where it's at. 😎

Well yes but tech progress isn't really progress if you pay 3x more for 3x performance. New tech is supposed to give more performance per dollar compared to the old one.

I’d say the lack of games is strangling all of gaming. I own a PC and a PS4. I can’t think of any titles that are generation defining technology wise. Don’t get me wrong, games like GOW Ragnarok are amazing but I was more impressed with the story telling and performances than the visuals.

It's not ultra-enthusiasts that are strangling PC gaming. It is that NVIDIA and AMD expected miners to continue to buy high end cards to mine crypto.

Now that mining is a thing of the past, both companies are sitting on a pile of chips while at the same time, used GPUs from miners are flooding the market.

They should have seen the writing on the wall when the warning was given that mining crypto will no longer be a thing a year prior to it ending.

What will most likely happen in the next year or two, is cards will come down in price but most likely not to where they were before the pandemic.

Hell, most games don’t play correctly, so many shitty pc ports lately.

Oh hell. I hope you’re wrong, because I don’t want to be playing the game equivalent of a K-car with an 85mph mandatory max speedometer.

Is it just me or where these more options for cards 15 to 20 years ago? I remember playing 3d games in the late 90s/early 2000s with inadequate hardware and the games weren't perfect but definitely playable.

I used to like buying ultra enthusiasts hardware because it meant you could set your games to max but nowadays developers don’t bother optimizing for the majority and develop for the next generation so you need high end hardware to get good performance. The problem isn’t hardware it is lazy developers. There are plenty of good examples but too many bad examples.

Yeah, because we all know that the KSP developers also design and sell high end computer hardware.

It doesn't work, there are too many requirements for it to work better than just downloading the games.

Example: See what’s currently happening with Kerbal Space Program 2

my brother in Christ indie games exist

I cri everytime

just do what I do and buy high end hardware to play pixelart indie games and 10 year+ old emulated games

Nvidia and AMD have a duopoly. If Intel fails to break into the market, your options will be to pay the prices they charge, go used, or not buy a GPU at all.

the developers that can actually write performant code probably aren't working for gaming companies. Games have to sell for a certain amount and companies aren't willing to bite into their margin even further hiring very skilled developers.

That's been a thing for a long time. Crysis came out 16 years ago.

Honestly, games have been held back by graphics for a long time, but memory has become much more efficient.

It's likely that we won't need graphics cards stronger than the 4000 series for a very long time as memory and ram are now scaling with graphics performance along with A.I.

GPUs are likely to start getting smaller instead of more powerful.

Denuvo is a big problem as well. User resources shouldn’t be used for that type of garbage.

Sadly creating game engines exclusively for one type of game is no longer an option for most developers, and an engine created to cast the widest net possible can't really be ideally optimized for specific cases.

Yes. I completely agree.

But I think the real problem is YouTube hardware reviewers. Especially Linus Tech Tips. Probably the biggest tech channel currently. I say this because they are constantly focused on the top tier products instead of mid tier which is where the bulk of PC gamers live at.

I know their mission is to generate views to make money but hyping primarily top tier products will keep causing manufacturers to focus production/supply on those product lines.

They also have a pulpit to say 'make more mid tier cards and leave the elite to the elite' but don't use it. I got a kick out of one of their WAN shows where they addressed themselves as not being influencers. That they just reviewed products purely on their merits. How are you non-biased when you choose which products to review?

Another thing that annoys the fuck out of me about their channel is that they went out of their way to get the ARC team to come to them recognizing the importance of a 3rd party in the GPU market to keep AMD and NVIDIA honest. So they know the importance of a 3rd party for competition even going so far as to use some Intel cards in a month long challenge. But were picky about the feedback regarding things like VR compatibility and streaming issues which effect how many gamers? DX9 stuff was addressed and still being worked on because it's just drivers. The overlay nonsense...it's software in infancy Luke. Grow the fuck up. Then as a dick smack in the face saying they couldn't get their NVIDIA cards back in fast enough. Must be nice to be able to give feedback from an ivory tower of gear.

Bottom line, I feel like YouTube channels like LTT are influencers and chose not to actively advocate for mid range gamers.

I really just peeked the advertising for the first time today.

First thing I thought was gee, remember when KSP taxed the hell out of computers just because of all the parts?

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Now more parts AND particles? It's gonna look great at 5 fps for sure.

Kind of limits the market, I would think.

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Did you even read the article?

You just proved me right

To me it’s kind of what happened to low cost digital cameras once good cameras started appearing on phones. The only cameras that people buy these days are high end / prosumer/professional cameras.

Consoles are pretty much mini PCs these days and you get a much better gaming experience with a $500 console than a $500 PC (or even putting in a $500 GPU in a PC a lot of times).

The true beauty of PC gaming, where they just crush consoles, can only really been seen at the higher end gaming PCs with high end monitors.

Me: bought a 3080ti (not during the dark times! I got it below MSRP, just so we’re clear) but i’m going to fire up vampire survivors for the umpteenth run. I played myself, lol.

Or rather the game engine budget went into artistic

To be honest though, my 980ti in my kid’s hand-me-down PC can still play almost everything just fine. I plugged it in to a 4k TV and with a mix of high and mid settings played through Shadow of the tomb raider with pretty darn good image quality with fps running 50-60 fps. I was kind of surprised how well that old card held up. I have a 3080ti on my main rig and sure, it does better, 4k, all ultra settings and still get high fps, but it’s not immensely better, you know? The overall experience is roughly the same. I think i’ll be getting away from feeling I need to be on the latest and greatest hardware to have a good experience going forward.

What a stupid article. Just play with what you have, there tons of games out there that don’t require the latest hardware

Really? Smaller instead of more powerful? Did you see the 4090?

Now imagining it being small enough to put 4 of them on a single PCI board.

SLI and dual GPU's are already being phased out.

There are other things to consider. for example, i got cities skylines free on epic, but the bulk of the mods for it are on the steam workshop. Sure it’s possible to get steam mods to work on epic but it’s a pain in the ass and I’m probably just going to buy the game when it’s on sale on steam

Have a friendly link to those roguelikes, by chance?

It’s generally accepted that the Japanese makers made the concept popular in the US

“Thing of the past”

The market is cyclical and we shouldn’t rule out crypto skyrocketing again in the next 5 to 10 years

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I need a list of unplayable games because I’m doing fine with a cheap ass 10series card and can’t fathom what people are attempting to do that they can’t.

Yeah no one needs a 4090 to play minecraft.

Which model of 10 series?

Crypto mining was mostly for Ethereum, which has moved to proof of stake now (no mining).

So crypto mining with GPUs should mostly be a thing of the past indeed.

it sure doesn't hurt though

Running at 120fps means that every single thing you do has to fit with the rest of the game and run in less than 5 milliseconds. Everything is performant by necessity… but only up to a point. You can spend years optimizing every single bit of waste to squeeze as much as you can out of the hardware, but at the end of the day, you have to cut your losses. Does another year of optimizing justify supporting older hardware, that won’t even support the full experience?

Ah that’s right, thanks for the reminder. And BTC mining isn’t as GPU based right?

BTC is mined with ASICs now.

I mean, I'm still rocking my 1080 that I got back in 2016, even after I upgraded my motherboard, CPU, and RAM. The 1080 still runs new games great.

What games "only play correctly on obscenely expensive hardware"? According to the top google result, the most demanding game is cyberpunk 2077. It doesn't require a 40xx, 30xx, or 20xx, or even a 10xx series card - it requires a gtx 780, and recommends a 1060. Even the recommended card series was released the better part of a decade ago.

And there are other comments here that they can run pretty much everything fine on a pre-10xx series card: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/115a172/ultraenthusiast_hardware_is_strangling_pc_gaming/j94xshs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3