Submitted by [deleted] t3_yd5yjb in springfieldMO
JuicedCardinal t1_itqfvlo wrote
Hopefully the neighborhood knows what it’s doing. I see that preserving trees and views is one of the big reasons they are pushing for voting no. The proposed zoning provides for preservation or replacement of trees 6” or more in diameter, preserving the existing structures, and has design restrictions. Vote no? That all goes away. It is back to single family residential, potentially meaning demolition of existing buildings (like at Sunshine and National) and clear-cutting the entire lot to make room for a cookie cutter subdivision.
Low_Tourist t1_itqj767 wrote
They're replacing 6 inch trees with 2 inch ones.
the_honeyman t1_itqjfxv wrote
As opposed to a subdivision developer who replaces 20 large trees with two saplings?
banjomin t1_itqt7xu wrote
Dude, the amount of water you're carrying for a wealthy-ass development company is disgraceful.
the_honeyman t1_itqv0k6 wrote
As opposed to carrying water for wealthy-ass NIMBY landowners?
Pot meet kettle.
Cold417 t1_itqyi7y wrote
I love how you guys are painting Galloway as some enclave of rich people mansions. It's filled with regular houses and is a community that came together to tell the city no.
mrsdex1 t1_itvrgp2 wrote
Eh, find there Facebook community page and compare to the neighborhood community page that lead to Ahmed Audrey's death.
I absolutely can see some of them hunting down poors who dare enter there domain.
Cold417 t1_itvs1qy wrote
No thanks.
mrsdex1 t1_itvxwl7 wrote
Well, continue to wonder why they are being branded like they are.
Cold417 t1_itvy1zv wrote
Some of you need to take a walk through the streets of Galloway.
mrsdex1 t1_itw1t6f wrote
No, I've read the community page. Again, you are welcome to ignore the similarities between Galloway's page and the page that was used to hunt Ahmed Audrey, but I'm not.
Those people getting what they want, via gov't or neighborhood harassment. This is a tale as old as America.
the_honeyman t1_itr044r wrote
It's not populated with poor people, that's for sure.
Cold417 t1_itr0bui wrote
And?
the_honeyman t1_itr1oxi wrote
And the argument that the main problem with this proposal is the corporate nature of it rings hollow when corporate development is perfectly fine in the low income areas.
Cold417 t1_itr26in wrote
Did that low income neighborhood put up a fight?
the_honeyman t1_itr355x wrote
As much as it could have without having the money to do so. Didn't you see the Facebook groups?
Tongue in cheek aside, yes, there were people upset by the development downtown. Turning affordable housing into expensive apartment complexes. My point is, people only really care about that stuff when it's threatening their own back yard. Which is why wealthy neighborhoods stay wealthy, single family, and car-centric, and low income neighborhoods become expensive corporate housing hellholes.
Low_Tourist t1_itrvczt wrote
You know this is happening on C Street right now, right? The city is allowing new buildings with mixed use retail/apartments to be built in the historic district. Think those will be affordable? Highly doubt it.
When this passes - because it will, if not this go round, at another time - it just sets precedent and makes it easier for the rest of the neighborhoods' wishes to be ignored.
the_honeyman t1_itrwufv wrote
I'm glad it's happening on C Street. That wasn't really affordable housing up there anyway, unless you're talking about them ripping into the neighborhoods around C Street.
This town is so weird. "There's nothing to do/that part is run down, but God forbid anybody put money into developing the town."
flexpercep t1_itserqe wrote
This comment right here turned me from undecided to a yes vote! Congratulations you’re out here winning hearts and minds.
Cold417 t1_itsi2d0 wrote
Good for you? Now you can move on to bigger and better mental challenges.
robzilla71173 t1_itv7d6m wrote
We did, yes. Btw, this and the other thread have both inspired me to vote yes. So has the 'No' sign on the commercial property that's encroaching on my neighborhood. Seems it's owned by someone from down there in Galloway. (aka Karentown)
Cold417 t1_itv8ajn wrote
I don't know why you people keep telling me how you intend to vote. Maybe it makes you feel warm & fuzzy? :p
robzilla71173 t1_itv8uj5 wrote
I don't know why you keep downvoting our comments, does it make you feel warm and fuzzy?
We tell you because we're hoping you'll make less dickish comments if you realize that you're driving people away from your cause. It's a courtesy.
Cold417 t1_itvero7 wrote
It's not my cause. Have you seen me asking anyone to vote in a particular manner or sharing links to any content? Jog on.
robzilla71173 t1_itvjx5a wrote
If it's something you're unconcerned about, why are you hassling these people about it? It's a nice day, go play outside.
Cold417 t1_itvmwon wrote
You should concern yourself less with what I do and how people online award points.
robzilla71173 t1_itvrkr9 wrote
I don't think that's possible.
banjomin t1_itqvwyx wrote
I'm not carrying water for anyone, I don't want more corporate-owned, boutique apartment villages in this town, and I especially don't want them putting a nice park in their buildings' shade when it's nice trees right now.
I don't care that a wealthy development company wants to provide a bunch of rich kids with a scenic background for their apartment balconies at the expense of the park and the people in town who use it.
the_honeyman t1_itqz6ol wrote
Who do you think will develop the affordable housing we need so much? It's not going to be private individuals funding apartment complex builds, its going to be a corporation or two.
banjomin t1_itr03i3 wrote
DUDE, you already admitted that the affordable housing argument is bullshit:
>This one I agree with you on, more expensive apartments won't fix the affordable housing problem, but that isn't really the area to focus on affordable housing, imo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/springfieldMO/comments/yd5yjb/vote_no_on_question_1/itqjl2g/
Why do you go so hard on lying???
the_honeyman t1_itr23o7 wrote
I'm not talking about this development with that question. I'm asking who you think is going to develop affordable housing in Springfield, in general? Do you think affordable housing will be funded primarily by private individuals? Or do you think apartment complexes, hopefully with some form of rent control, will be developed by corporate interests?
banjomin t1_itr2wts wrote
It sounds like you don't have an argument for your position and now you're just doing a gish-gallop to keep from having to defend any of the bullshit you say. Hell, you admitted as much already:
>I don't even have skin in the game. I couldn't care less what happens down there. The hypocrisy is real, is all.
https://www.reddit.com/r/springfieldMO/comments/yd5yjb/vote_no_on_question_1/itr02e5/
yeah, the hypocrisy is definitely real.
the_honeyman t1_itr3d9v wrote
No, it sounds like the "no more corporate housing" is a convienent excuse for you to hide behind.
Who is going to develop affordable housing complexes? Continue dodging the question if you want.
Edit: blocked? Lol.
Low_Tourist t1_itql9fx wrote
2 inch trees are saplings. They're just slightly larger than a broom handle.
socialistpizzaparty t1_itqiqjh wrote
That’s a good point to vote yes. With all the attention, the developer has faced more scrutiny and I’m sure the project is better because of it (in terms of community impact being lessened).
At least it’s not going to be “Sequiota Towers” or something 😆
xPeachesV t1_itrlhhq wrote
"Single family residential"
That's the key statement. Nobody wants to say the quiet part out loud about the real reason people, both left and right, are against multi-dwelling units.
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