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adamthinks t1_j5xodc9 wrote

Apparently no one here read the article. The reason they were questioned by police is because they were threatening the security guards.

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RossTheNinja t1_j5xuw00 wrote

Of course not. If people read the article, journalists wouldn't write misleading headlines all the time for clicks.

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kyrant t1_j5y2t1y wrote

Editors.

They come up with the headlines.

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fishman242 t1_j5y54e1 wrote

And they were threatening the securities because they gave them trouble for wearing Zs and showing ruzzian flags.

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beefyesquire t1_j6063o8 wrote

Them threatening someone who points out they are a pieces of shit doesn't make them in the right.

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Fearless747 t1_j5wf91s wrote

Good, fuck those scumbags.

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MoreMegadeth t1_j5wyjfx wrote

Anyone who supports Russia’s invasion is a scumbag pretty simple.

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Chroma-Co t1_j5xmtu7 wrote

Supporting war crimes is one hell of an opinion.

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stoiclandcreature69 t1_j5ys28n wrote

One that’s allowed in Australia if the war crimes are against non-white people

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Chroma-Co t1_j5zexte wrote

You're "allowed" to have any opinion wherever you want, but people are going to hate you for it.

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Fish_On_again t1_j5ydro7 wrote

Excellent what about pivot, comrade. You're doing God's work. God is a piece of shit, but you're doing his work.

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Fish_On_again t1_j607g9n wrote

Ah yes, insults. The calling card of* the mentally inept.

*Edit. Bad grammar. Oh, the irony.

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[deleted] t1_j608rio wrote

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Fish_On_again t1_j60w6wl wrote

You don't want to talk about the very article you are commenting on, my dear deflector. Go ahead and speak about the world telling Russia and its' supporters to go to hell. Let's hear your thoughts on the topic at hand.

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he_is_Veego t1_j5zxxs2 wrote

I will as soon as you do “Putin invading neighboring country destabilizing the entire region”

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hards04 t1_j5x41tj wrote

The opinion that invading and pillaging a sovereign state is a good thing?? Yeah. Definitely fuck that opinion and anyone who has it.

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spooky-frek t1_j5x93v6 wrote

It's not an opinion you dumbass it's a fact that the whole world can watch

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ZanyWayney t1_j5yco7s wrote

First off, they were questioned for threatening people. Secondly, you chose this to be your response? There is a point where tolerance must end. Your "to each their own" stance should end when the support being espoused is for real life murder and atrocity. Ya know, if Russia HADN'T begun a war to exterminate a sovereign nation, culture, and people I'd be on your side. "They have a right to their opinion and to support their nation". But the opinion they tout is one that threatens and removes the safety and security of others. That is not just an opinion. That is an oppression that should be confronted and stamped out. Support for Russia has no fucking place in free society any more. Your freedom ends where it erodes the freedoms of another.

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kushtiannn t1_j5wd2tg wrote

“Got a loicense for that opinion, m8?”

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Northcliff t1_j5yuq72 wrote

You got a loicense for that meme? You might be next

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mvillerob t1_j5x9o3k wrote

Send them back to Russia if they love Putin so much. The are probably spies anyways.

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britboy4321 t1_j5yx5qm wrote

Yea ... Freedom of speech sucks.

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Taser9001 t1_j5z9b8v wrote

Freedom of speech is not the same as being free to be a piece of shit. Lawful authorities and governments have a duty to prohibit speech that is hateful, prejudiced and/or incites harassment/violence. Y'all need to stop using the free speech card to excuse yourselves from being assholes.

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britboy4321 t1_j5zaqsv wrote

Of course freedom of speech is the same as being free to be a piece of shit. That's the entire point. Otherwise the authorities can define 'being a piece of shit' as whatever they want. For example as 'Slagging off the government'.

'Freedom of speech as long as it's the speech you like'. Jees - really?

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Taser9001 t1_j60qjz3 wrote

Yes, governments are capable of abusing it, and some do abuse it (ironically, Russia is one of the most corrupt and abusive governments on this front right now), but surely it is also the responsibility of authorities and governments to protect their citizens? If people are going to go round spouting stuff that promotes needless war and invasion, things that are costing thousands upon thousands of lives, why should they be allowed to do that? To say otherwise is to excuse racists, misogynists, transphobes, homophobes, nazis, Putin supporters, etc, and that is simply not acceptable.

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britboy4321 t1_j60zpkq wrote

It's a question of where to draw the line.

Whilst I know this isn't the story ..

Should I be allowed to go and stand in silence, donning a huge Russian flag and carrying a placard that says 'Ukraine has always been part of Russia'?

I'd argue that in a free country that should be acceptable. Otherwise, slippery slope and all that.

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hellochristopher t1_j636df7 wrote

Every single country has laws to do with speech true freedom is a hell

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Aelig_ t1_j67nc6n wrote

Is the Australian open a government?

If not, freedom of speech doesn't apply. Besides, Russia is a terror state and supporting terrorism doesn't fall under freedom of speech. They're lucky if they are simply asked to leave.

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britboy4321 t1_j67q29p wrote

Yes, it's a government.

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Aelig_ t1_j67uthr wrote

Care to share the constitution establishing the Australian open as a state?

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britboy4321 t1_j6aa91e wrote

The UK is a state and doesn't have a constitution. Nor does the Open.

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Aelig_ t1_j6ah6z6 wrote

The UK has a constitution. It's not all written in a single document but it does have a constitution and a supreme court with the specific job to uphold this constitution.

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lewger t1_j5xf38n wrote

Fuck em, strip them of citizenship like those ISIS fucks and send them to the front lines. Got no time for people who support genocide in this country.

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SirBennettAtx t1_j5yhglm wrote

Holy shit. Strip them of citizenship for expressing an opinion!?!?

Edit: as a USA citizen who knows nothing about Australia, I’m very confused by the downvotes, is this common & accepted punishment for free speech down under?

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nmklpkjlftmsh t1_j5z5h0e wrote

>a USA citizen who knows nothing, I'm very confused

A seppo who speaks on a topic knowing nothing about it? Shocking.

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that-one-xc-dude t1_j5yx5e2 wrote

A stupid and dangerous opinion

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SirBennettAtx t1_j5yxb5j wrote

Yes absolutely! But surely people are smart enough to know that on their own right? No need to label somebody with a scarlet letter of sorts?

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GinandTonicandLime t1_j5xfmc8 wrote

Oh, you’re not going to like it when you learn about Australian history (if we strip the citizenship of genocide supporters, there aren’t enough planes in the country to deport them all)

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lewger t1_j5xg3f0 wrote

I've got no issue with that, give me a shout when they start wearing pro aboriginal genocide flags at the tennis.

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magicsonar t1_j5xlzip wrote

What....an Australian flag?

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lewger t1_j5xmq1l wrote

Did you really type that? The flag adopted in 1901 is a pro genocide symbol of the aboriginal genocide that started in 1788.

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magicsonar t1_j5xoitg wrote

From a First Nations perspective, it probably is. Genocide didn't end in 1901. There were at least 240 documented frontier massacres over a 140 year period, starting in 1794, as part of a state-sanctioned and organised attempt to eradicate Aboriginal people. Government forces were actively engaged in frontier massacres until at least the late 1920s. And then we have of course forced removals of Aboriginal children, which is considered a part of cultural genocide, which continued up until the 1970's. Linguist Arthur Capell wrote in 1964: "Government policy looks forward to the loss of Aboriginal languages so that the Aborigines may be 'assimilated'. So yeah, sadly from a First Nations perspective, the Australian flag would represent a state that was engaged in organised genocide.

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lewger t1_j5y54vl wrote

It's not a direct symbol of genocide and to compare it to the Russian's wearing Z's shows you are not arguing in good faith. If you want to keep posting drivel comparing the two I'm sure you can find a better audience in r/russia

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Fish_On_again t1_j5yduhq wrote

What does that have to do with Russia invading Ukraine?

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CommentWhileShitting t1_j5wrn5u wrote

For all our friends around the world, the convo went down like the:

"Now see here fuckwits, you fuckin' about with that nonsense at a fuckin' tennis game can fuck right off"

In all seriousness it's pathetic & disgusting, citizenship revoked and a giant fuck you boot up the arse for good measure.

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CommentWhileShitting t1_j5xqma3 wrote

If you bothered to read it's cheerleading of an invasion & needless death. They're detracting from the quality of life that many migrants and victims of war experience. Australia is a melting pot of these very people, to support war crimes says more about the calibre of the person than most traits.

Absolutely fuck those people off, I couldn't think of any place in the world that would invite these people into their communities.

Being an edgelord on this topic & arguing for it shows the level of stupidity you clearly don't see in yourself. One day you might wake up, maybe not but it's entirely up to you.

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CoolKouhai t1_j5x9mw4 wrote

I agree that that's probably a bit hasty, but that wasn't all they did.

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raduuuuu t1_j5xln5j wrote

That's why banning athletes from Russia and Belarus actually makes sense. It's never about them personally, everybody is aware that it's not their fault and they (probably) don't support the war. However, sport was always used for propaganda and for pushing nationalism.

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RedJohn04 t1_j5yb7lj wrote

Ballet too. There was a great episode of 60 minutes.

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doughnutholio t1_j60bq85 wrote

Oh Christ, we should have banned jazz music and McDonalds when the totally illegal war in Iraq broke out in 2003 based on total lies.

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Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5yzzxh wrote

Isn’t it removing flags part of the same issue? Reactionary propaganda, why are the US and UK flags acceptable during the times they’re bombing innocent lives?

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raduuuuu t1_j5z0x82 wrote

To answer your first question, it really is not. First argument is this very article, where supporters show up either way and start doing pro-war propaganda. Second argument is that sporting victories are consumed for propaganda internally in Russia, so removing the flag has absolutely no effect. As for your second question, it's a classic example of "whataboutism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) and I am not going to reply to it.

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Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5z1jb4 wrote

Not whataboutism, more pointing bias. I think all invasions should be punished, and hypocrisy needs to be called out

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raduuuuu t1_j5z21c9 wrote

Actually text book "whataboutism": "Common accusations include double standards, and hypocrisy, but it can also be used to relativize criticism of one's own viewpoints or behaviors. (A: "Long-term unemployment often means poverty in Germany." B: "And what about the starving in Africa and Asia?")."

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Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5z2q1f wrote

I haven’t brought something unrelated, I am talking about having a sustained stance on human rights. Should be broader than just punishing two nationalities. I understand it’s a touchy topic and most people from Europe/US feel like calling out bias is pointless, but I think there should be more principled approaches to human rights

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fanasup t1_j5zk17m wrote

Lol rly bro u have one flag that is almost exclusively used for propagating war while the two other r just flags that just represents country’s, and it’s not rly about the past is it when Russian is literally trying to take over a nation irl like rn..

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Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zl1pg wrote

😂 you do understand you’re accidentally referencing the American flag. Nobody can own you if you own yourself, touché

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fanasup t1_j5znwc3 wrote

Lmao ya while the us gov push for war I don’t associate or think about war when I see the us flag and probably a lot of other people too, but if I see the Z flag I know for sure the guy holding it wants people dead

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Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zqd5d wrote

Ask those bombed by the US if they think of war when they see the flag

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fanasup t1_j5zurxg wrote

Ok but that doesn’t change the fact that what matters is the intention behind the holder of the flag

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Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zvbod wrote

On that we can agree, but nice try changing the subject

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fanasup t1_j5zvlvj wrote

Not rly changing the subject cuz that was my whole point from the start lmao if u think the way u do then u must hate every country then which basically means there’s no point even trying to have a discussion with u since u just hold the most basic opinion and provides nothing that everyone don’t already know

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Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zw76m wrote

Too late not to have a discussion with me champ!

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Frosty_Gas_2070 t1_j5xgoxc wrote

Why are Russian and Belorussian athletes aloud to compete in the first place?? Even under a neutral flag, they just straight up shouldn’t be aloud to compete.

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DGB31988 t1_j5xhp7t wrote

These tennis players don’t even live in Russia. They live in like Monaco and West Palm Beach. It’s not their fault the country they were born in is a dictatorship.

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JR21K20 t1_j5xtozl wrote

I think the word you’re looking for is ‘allowed’

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The_Panic_Station t1_j5xt0rv wrote

The Russian (and Belarussian) government would certainly prefer that their players were banned so that they could point fingers and say that the West are discriminating athletes purely because they were born in Russia.

All top players (Medvedev, Rublev, Sabalenka, Azarenka, Kasatkina, Kudermetova, Khachanov, Karatsev etc) have spoken negatively about the war. Do you think the Russian government supported newspapers are happy to report on that?

Here is a long interview with Rublev and Kasatkina, the two highest ranked Russian tennis players who both are amongst the best in the world. They live in Barcelona and travel the world playing on the ATP and WTA tour respectively. Kasatkina came out as gay when this interviewed aired, something that is heavily frowned upon in her native Russia. Rublev has been vocally against the war since day 1. He proposed that Russian and Ukrainan players could play together in doubles at Wimbledon as a statement towards Putin, but was declined by the tournament.

There is, in my opinion, an important difference between playing on the ATP/WTA tour where you only represent yourself, compared to playing the Davis Cup/Billie Jean Cup/Olympics where you represent your country. When you are an individual player you employ your own coaches, physios, psychologists, etc and travel around the world with them as your entourage. You're more like a small independent business. When you represent your country in international competitions you have to get support from the federation as they select you. That's why Russia and Belarus are banned from ITF, ATP and WTA competitions, but simply being Russian or Belarussian is not enough to suspend individuals.

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APEHASKILLEDAPE t1_j5ydgvf wrote

And Sabalenka just made the finals and Novak will most certainly win tonight, two great players who deserve to be in the finals regardless of where they came from.

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The_Panic_Station t1_j5ydozc wrote

And Rybakina, who ironically won Wimbledon last year, will meet Sabalenka in the final. She's born and raised in Russia but represents Kazakhstan due to lack of support from the Russian federation.

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APEHASKILLEDAPE t1_j5ydu8e wrote

I forgot about that, these players live all over the globe and should not be punished because of where they were born.

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MynameisJunie t1_j5z46s8 wrote

WTAF? Why would they even be allowed in? To begin with the threatening, then their super inconspicuous attire, all red flags…C’mon Australia!!! You wouldn’t let that tennis play take a shit, but you allow this?

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notatrollallthetime t1_j5zjq3k wrote

Freedom of speech. The fun thing is if the roles were reversed and they were in Russia they would not be allowed to and be arrested possibly tortured.

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verbleabuse97 t1_j5z6vuu wrote

Pawnee, Welcome Russian Soldiers

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doughnutholio t1_j5x2p4m wrote

thought police!

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RedJohn04 t1_j5ybtk1 wrote

Just regular police who don’t approve of demonstrators threatening physical violence against security guards at the venue.

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doughnutholio t1_j5xb2dk wrote

Srsly.

Where was this hateful energy towards opposing the 2003 Iraq war? Which was based on a total lie. Hehehe. Oh wait, I forgot, they were brown people.

#SillyMe

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adamthinks t1_j5xo3m1 wrote

....there were rallys, marches, and protests all over the country against the Iraq war. And in large numbers. How old were you in 2003?

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CommentWhileShitting t1_j5xpzjr wrote

Whataboutism here. Also, there are many domestic and international conflicts occurring as we speak. You don't need to go back to the Iraq war to apply a poorly constructed argument.

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doughnutholio t1_j5xs4at wrote

ahh... "whataboutism", when the word "hypocrisy" is too grating for everyone's fine sensibilities

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APEHASKILLEDAPE t1_j5ydn7a wrote

I know right, America’s invaded so many countries and killed so many innocent people but we get a free pass. Murder is still murder no matter the flag.

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doughnutholio t1_j5yf34c wrote

Naw you got it all wrong.

Might makes right, and if you are the mightiest, you are the rightiest!

Also, most of those so-called "innocents" were really just terrorists, or brainwashed plebs who didn't know freedom if it bit them in the ass. So their ass had to bitten off. For their own good of course ;)

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APEHASKILLEDAPE t1_j5yf6g4 wrote

That and we bully countries into siding with us,

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doughnutholio t1_j5yfcus wrote

>That and we bully countries into siding with us,

Our allies are standing shoulder to shoulder in a shining coalition of the willing to face evil.

FTFY.

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Dertroks t1_j5xfiix wrote

Another victim of echo chamber

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boogasaurus-lefts t1_j5wsano wrote

I don't think you'll find many civilised societies that enjoy folks who cheer war crimes & needless death.

> campos9896 Damn so just having a different opinion than the masses can lead to being questioned?

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spooky-frek t1_j5x99wg wrote

It's not an opinion when it's warm crimes you imbecile

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jamesb_33 t1_j5xb5lz wrote

>It's not an opinion when it's warm crimes you imbecile

What happens when warm crimes go unsolved?

They become a cold case.

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britboy4321 t1_j5yxnl3 wrote

If you're going to call someone an imbecile, it's pretty important to make sure your spelling is correct.

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nmklpkjlftmsh t1_j5z4xmp wrote

No, threatening security guards does.

Read the fucken article you toolbox.

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Nordalin t1_j5ymeiv wrote

You should read the article instead of defending all that is horrible.

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