Submitted by Captain_Smartass_ t3_10ldppt in sports
raduuuuu t1_j5xln5j wrote
That's why banning athletes from Russia and Belarus actually makes sense. It's never about them personally, everybody is aware that it's not their fault and they (probably) don't support the war. However, sport was always used for propaganda and for pushing nationalism.
RedJohn04 t1_j5yb7lj wrote
Ballet too. There was a great episode of 60 minutes.
doughnutholio t1_j60bq85 wrote
Oh Christ, we should have banned jazz music and McDonalds when the totally illegal war in Iraq broke out in 2003 based on total lies.
Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5yzzxh wrote
Isn’t it removing flags part of the same issue? Reactionary propaganda, why are the US and UK flags acceptable during the times they’re bombing innocent lives?
raduuuuu t1_j5z0x82 wrote
To answer your first question, it really is not. First argument is this very article, where supporters show up either way and start doing pro-war propaganda. Second argument is that sporting victories are consumed for propaganda internally in Russia, so removing the flag has absolutely no effect. As for your second question, it's a classic example of "whataboutism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) and I am not going to reply to it.
Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5z1jb4 wrote
Not whataboutism, more pointing bias. I think all invasions should be punished, and hypocrisy needs to be called out
raduuuuu t1_j5z21c9 wrote
Actually text book "whataboutism": "Common accusations include double standards, and hypocrisy, but it can also be used to relativize criticism of one's own viewpoints or behaviors. (A: "Long-term unemployment often means poverty in Germany." B: "And what about the starving in Africa and Asia?")."
Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5z2q1f wrote
I haven’t brought something unrelated, I am talking about having a sustained stance on human rights. Should be broader than just punishing two nationalities. I understand it’s a touchy topic and most people from Europe/US feel like calling out bias is pointless, but I think there should be more principled approaches to human rights
fanasup t1_j5zk17m wrote
Lol rly bro u have one flag that is almost exclusively used for propagating war while the two other r just flags that just represents country’s, and it’s not rly about the past is it when Russian is literally trying to take over a nation irl like rn..
Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zl1pg wrote
😂 you do understand you’re accidentally referencing the American flag. Nobody can own you if you own yourself, touché
fanasup t1_j5znwc3 wrote
Lmao ya while the us gov push for war I don’t associate or think about war when I see the us flag and probably a lot of other people too, but if I see the Z flag I know for sure the guy holding it wants people dead
Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zqd5d wrote
Ask those bombed by the US if they think of war when they see the flag
fanasup t1_j5zurxg wrote
Ok but that doesn’t change the fact that what matters is the intention behind the holder of the flag
Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zvbod wrote
On that we can agree, but nice try changing the subject
fanasup t1_j5zvlvj wrote
Not rly changing the subject cuz that was my whole point from the start lmao if u think the way u do then u must hate every country then which basically means there’s no point even trying to have a discussion with u since u just hold the most basic opinion and provides nothing that everyone don’t already know
Jo__Jo__Jo t1_j5zw76m wrote
Too late not to have a discussion with me champ!
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