Submitted by ambianceambiance t3_z11gys in sports
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bluetriumphantcloud t1_ix8maop wrote
"We were prepared to pay fines that would normally apply to breaches of kit regulations and had a strong commitment to wearing the armband. However, we cannot put our players in the situation where they might be booked or even forced to leave the field of play,"
FIFA being the muscle for an oppressive regime that's terrified of rainbow hearts.
bluetriumphantcloud t1_ix8mfty wrote
As long as it's hetero-cocksucking. The gay kind is illegal.
ideallyideal t1_ix8qzxb wrote
What a bunch of sad, sad men. Afraid of love.
I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't so evil.
MemorySnake t1_ix910bd wrote
Fuck no! There ain't nothing gay about getting your dick sucked! You're the ones that're gay for sucking my dick!
rookie-mistake t1_ix913it wrote
this is such a shitshow interesting cultural clash
two5031 t1_ix962b0 wrote
But only in a non-political kind of way.
tantawyk t1_ix9b02h wrote
Same-sex-love for them is like incest, this is a cultural and religious aspect for them and laws that they grow with. Imagine a Qatari comes to your country and tries to register his 2nd wife, which for them is normal, but not allowed in most of the world. Let’s not go into the discussion of what’s right and what’s wrong, I’m just explaining their point of view.
Rainbow-Death t1_ix9b1il wrote
So no kissing cousins?
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BoringWozniak t1_ix9bmdn wrote
I kinda want to see every player in the tournament sent off and for the whole thing to collapse.
PorkshireTerrier t1_ix9e0bk wrote
Lmao just do 2 seconds of research online, any news source you want, idealy middle eastern:
There is drinking in religious countries. There is prostitution ( one night marriages) in middle eastern countries.
Not saying EVERYONE does it. Not judging right or wrong. But do they Practice what they Preach: NO. Just the way no one does.
Cultural sensitivity is one thing, this is just hypocrisy.
teabagmoustache t1_ix9iill wrote
What about the point of view of gay Qataris? It's not about gay people wanting to visit Qatar, it's their barbaric treatment of gay people that's one of the problems.
teabagmoustache t1_ix9iqot wrote
What's more masculine than one erect penis?
Tylerjamiz t1_ix9j9vf wrote
Next up. FIFA bans soccer at World Cup
tantawyk t1_ix9neiq wrote
As I said, I’m not debating what’s right and what’s wrong, I’m simply stating that some stuff can be normal for you, and not normal for other people. As a matter of fact, same case existed in Russia 2018 and there was not a lot of fuss about it.
trdamateur t1_ix9oano wrote
Please hack their station blasting gayness all over their airwaves, fuk fifa too
teabagmoustache t1_ix9oho7 wrote
And I'm saying it's not about me, it's about discrimination within Qatar of Qatari people.
Being Muslim is not normal to me but you bet your life I would never try to stop someone from following their faith and defend their right to practice it.
Your right about Russia and plenty of people did make a fuss about it then, not as much as today I'll grant you.
tantawyk t1_ix9osog wrote
But that’s not the culture they were raised into, the stuff you mentioned are done secretly by a small portion of people.
SoyMurcielago t1_ix9qx1l wrote
yes_no_maybe_99 t1_ix9u6hp wrote
It's kind of ironic because I've visited several countries like Qatar and the men there all hold hands and kiss each other. Yet they're deathly afraid of gays LOL
iclimbnaked t1_ix9vu52 wrote
Not all cultural aspects deserve respect though.
I think we all know why they’re banning these things. We get it’s their viewpoints. Don’t sign up to host the world game if you don’t want the world expressing itself on that stage.
Basically yah we get why they’re banning these things, but don’t expect people to be okay with it.
Obairamhain t1_ix9w684 wrote
The gulf region is actually very fond of kissing cousins.
Traditional tribal approaches to the marriage of cousins have seen the gulf region have very high rates of cousin marriage.
As an example, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia has the highest rates of consanguinity (marrying family members) in the world
RugerRedhawk t1_ix9wzy7 wrote
But how can they learn if nobody attempts to teach them?
tantawyk t1_ix9xb6s wrote
Who decides the aspects that don’t deserve respect? You?
iclimbnaked t1_ix9xrpj wrote
Pretty simple. Anything that suppresses/vilifies innate traits of people (assuming it doesn’t infringe on others). IE racism is never okay or worthy of respect even if it’s baked into a culture. Same with sexual orientation.
If you’re born that way, no one gets to hide behind “cultural norms” for being against it.
Doesn’t deserve respect.
Especially when you openly invite the world to your country for a global event where you absolutely knew this would be an issue. Don’t bid for a global event if you can’t handle the criticism for it
tantawyk t1_ix9yojv wrote
In order to teach someone, you need to first understand them, do you claim to understand the culture of Qatar? Or do you just despise them and want to shape the way you want?
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iclimbnaked t1_ixa15ex wrote
Where in my statement did I say it was genetic.
I said innate.
Gay people don’t choose to be gay. Whether that is some genetic combo or something about the environment or not is irrelevant.
But way to immediately misuse the study though. It looked at if any single gene or handful of genes causes it. Just bc it’s not that simple doesn’t make it not genetic. Like literally the article you link says genetics plays a part.
Edit: I get I say born that way. Meant that as more of a sexual orientation isn’t something you choose. It’s just who you are. Not that it’s literally down to a gay gene.
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tantawyk t1_ixa33in wrote
If it’s not purely genetic, then you’re not born this way. It’s absolutely different than being born to a specific race. If your country allows gay relationships, good for you. If some other country for whatever reason doesn’t allow it, you shouldn’t go there and protest it.
LUN4T1C-NL t1_ixa3leb wrote
Two erect penises?
LUN4T1C-NL t1_ixa3qof wrote
He wants to unite all the worlds money in his pockets.
Krispykross t1_ixa4fxo wrote
5 people killed in a shooting in the United States is a reason for them to bite the hand that’s feeding them? No serious person would think this.
bargle0 t1_ixa5id4 wrote
That won’t happen. It makes too much money.
iclimbnaked t1_ixa5sji wrote
In no way does it not being purely genetic not mean it’s not innate. If it’s not a choice you make you shouldn’t be discriminated for it. It’s dead simple.
Regardless the study you link doesn’t rule it out as genetic in the first place. It rules it out as a simple handful of genes. Could be it’s a pretty complex interaction of them.
I’d agree with your premise of don’t show up to a country and protest things if Qatar themselves didn’t invite the world. At that point it’s totally fair to call them out for their BS.
You don’t choose to be black, you don’t choose to be gay. No cultural norms of repressing either deserves respect.
Hell I don’t think say jailing of Muslims even if it was a “cultural norm” should be respected and that’s something that is a choice. You choose your religion.
DegenGolfer t1_ixa7fsd wrote
Middle East are never getting a WC again
wyvory91 t1_ixa7ooh wrote
Yeah I guess those 5 people don't matter, aren't representative, whatsoever, of a larger (global) issue, and the US isn't participating in this WC, nor is it the majority site of the next WC
bobblebob100 t1_ixa87rc wrote
Fifa have always had a rule that political statements like this are banned on the football field. Fifa may have handled it badly but they always do
If the players really feel that strongly dont go to the world cup. But then they lose out on that nice pay cheque
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tantawyk t1_ixa9ura wrote
I didn’t say it’s not complex, I’m just saying that you’re not born with it. And in countries like Qatar, you’re not raised into it. Each person/entity defines their borders, what are your borders? Would you be fine with incest? I don’t have to agree with everything you do to respect you as a human being. If I invite you to my home, I don’t have to allow everything you do to be done inside my home. If we don’t have the same way of thinking, that doesn’t mean we have to be enemies.
rtels2023 t1_ixaalct wrote
Infantino would get a sex change to make the Qataris feel better about him sucking their cocks
iclimbnaked t1_ixaap8w wrote
There’s a difference between okay with and actively jailing people for it.
I’m not okay with incest but if two adults choose to do that. Then whatever. I can think it’s disgusting but they absolutely shouldn’t be jailed for it. (Things do get fuzzy here given it can result in harmful genetic abnormalities to a potential child)
I can be friendly with someone who thinks being gay is wrong. I’m never going to be friendly with someone who thinks people should be jailed for things they can’t change about themselves. Ie think being gay is wrong all you want. Jailing and discriminating for it is the line.
Not going to police anyone’s thoughts even if I disagree. It’s when you take the action of discrimination that it changes.
It’s not deserving of respect anymore than racism or religious discrimination is.
Also you can not be enemies but still think it’s totally valid to call out your friends when they’re being shitty people.
Krispykross t1_ixaaqfw wrote
It’s a perspective/emotional problem. You have a great night.
therealac3 t1_ixadpew wrote
Thanks for taking politics out of the World Cup!
tantawyk t1_ixaeaet wrote
That’s how countries show that they’re not okay with something. Punishment. I can list you a number of things that Muslims are not allowed to do in Europe and US, and they get punished/expelled if they do it. Why is this in any way different than what Qatar is doing? Each person has their boundaries, and each country has it’s rules. This is life as we know it.
iclimbnaked t1_ixaf5dc wrote
Each country is allowed their rules.
That doesn’t mean said rules deserve respect. Never going to respect active discrimination
That’s also life as we know it. Respect is earned. Not defaulted to.
Plenty of countries have done all kinds of evil things. They don’t deserve respect for them just bc they’re a country.
The world has the freedom to judge Qatar for its actions. No ones owed respect by default hiding behind “culture”. Remember, Qatar invited this spotlight on themselves, if they didn’t want criticism than don’t invite the world to your country.
I’d also argue whatever things Muslims are punished for doing in Europe/USA also shouldn’t be respected. (Assuming it doesn’t harm anyone)Pretty simple
Commercial-Prompt-84 t1_ixag9b8 wrote
Hate to tell him but being gay isn’t political. And if it is to him he’s a weirdo
dragosn1989 t1_ixagamc wrote
Of course they do! Any other dictatorship would do the same!🤦♂️
TimeTravelMishap t1_ixags22 wrote
That doesn't change the fact that their point of view is ass backwards and wrong
TheOnlyOneSon t1_ixahvzq wrote
Wonder what's gonna happen to the lady from England who wore it during her pregame interview....
Any updates on that?
A_Random_Username_0 t1_ixaitnt wrote
How easily could the matches be moved to a non-trash nation in the southern hemisphere (so it’s summer)?
shrouple t1_ixaj0pw wrote
Probably what Qatar wants and then their team wins by default.
Zandandido t1_ixaml4k wrote
If Qatar paid FIFA enough, FIFA would do it.
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vancityjeep t1_ixaxk5g wrote
If they pay. They will. FIFA isn’t about the game. It’s all about the dollars.
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dogshelter t1_ixb23w9 wrote
But anti discrimination is not political.
dogshelter t1_ixb29h6 wrote
Shameful. There’s nothing political about supporting human rights equality.
Every team playing should go home. Let Qatar win the World Cup by forfeit.
Thunder_Gun_Xpress t1_ixb6tjk wrote
FIFA is woefully corrupt. Always will be
ErnieAdamsistheKey t1_ixb911h wrote
Someone needs to start selling FUFIFA tshirts during the cup.
signalpirate t1_ixb9jb4 wrote
Whatever happened to “ I’m gay, I’m disabled, I’m this or that”.
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ZoneMaster23 t1_ixbf854 wrote
Spoiler. They do all kinds of gay stuff, they just murder others for it.
therationalists t1_ixbg3ug wrote
One penis, two penisaii ;)
UnoSadPeanut t1_ixbgupq wrote
It is a bit silly to blame the players, no?
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downonthesecond t1_ixbjioi wrote
So this is how people felt when players were or weren't kneeling.
CampCritter t1_ixblo9v wrote
Until I read “Saudi Arabia”, I thought you were talking about the gulf coast of the United States and that this was gonna be a joke about Alabama, lol
ronninguru t1_ixblrlg wrote
The Bunk!
bearded_drummer t1_ixbmkkn wrote
So, the FIFA guy doesn’t feel gay anymore??
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123eyecansee t1_ixbnioj wrote
Not Qatar, FIFA. Their answer? “Fuck you world, you’ll pay and watch this shit anyways.”
totalhenry t1_ixbol3b wrote
saudi arabia wants the 2030 world cup. Hope it goes to someone else
Shakyy-iwnl t1_ixbps4g wrote
It’s very silly and anyone who blames the players is uneducated on the situation, and on football as a whole.
anorwichfan t1_ixbq9qg wrote
Only football, no soccer allowed.
bobblebob100 t1_ixbsfdz wrote
Fair enough, but my point still stands.
Qatar are known for this sort of behaviour, if you feel that strongly and want to try do something dont go to the WC
Tborg42 t1_ixbtifu wrote
Don’t think it’s the players that created the mess, but they didn’t clean it up either.
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RobGrey03 t1_ixbw6w1 wrote
"The two sweetest words in the English language!" - Qatar, probably
Aaidentimo t1_ixbwr1a wrote
What a bunch of sad, sad men. Afraid of love.
uReallyShouldTrustMe t1_ixbysso wrote
If you’re shocked, you’re beyond naive.
MrJohnnyDangerously t1_ixbz3z6 wrote
Fuck you FIFA
Julch t1_ixc24mj wrote
A number of things ?
List ONE that isn't inherently illegal to begin with.
Modern countries will let you practice your faith freely, while also letting you be whoever you are.
Sure you won't be able to legally marry several women in my country but you can still totally legally be in a relationship with as many people as you want. Also lets be honest, how often is polygamy actually an equal partnership ? Most countries that still allow polygamy are severely patriarchic and only allow men to have several wives but certainly not vice versa while also stripping women of most if not all their rights (freedom, education, jobs, voting, driving, etc.)
I fully support not allowing such a barbaric form of quasi slavery.
[EDIT] Btw lets not put Europe or any modern country in one pot with the US since most states are literally third world countries by every measure used to define said status. The US has long ceased to be a beacon of freedom and is barely functioning at this point.
nocturnal111 t1_ixc2d3a wrote
Believe it or not, she went straight to jail.
tantawyk t1_ixc388y wrote
You think you know everything don’t you? I don’t feel like this is going anywhere, I’ll just save my time and go watch the world cup
Jimmy_kong253 t1_ixc3pav wrote
For any future world cup host there's now a playbook on how to take control of your world cup thanks to Qatar
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Horrid_dog t1_ixc4o4w wrote
Im fed up with LGBT thing. Does my fucking head in.
tobymurphy24 t1_ixc4vos wrote
Easy to sit back and say shame on the players when you're behind a screen, but playing a world cup is their life's work and dream. It only comes once to some. Unless there is some real real bad stuff going on (Like genocides etc.) Blaming players for going is ridiculous.
MinnieShoof t1_ixc55vd wrote
... but I love Raisin' Canes.
One love! Woof woof!
Kimchi-slap t1_ixc5pog wrote
If nothing else Qatar did a good job showing how FIFA officials are in open market for anything as long as price is right.
Tborg42 t1_ixcd0pj wrote
Of course it’s easy, I will happily admit to that.
And yes, it would suck to give up this kind of event due to some execs being idiotic, corrupt, and greedy. But that doesn’t excuse participation. I have quit a previous job (with better pay and be if it’s than the next) due to what I perceived as unethical behaviour in the leadership. So do many others, it’s not like the football players would be the very first in the world to suffer under moral obligations.
I admire that you say “come once’s for some” unlike many who pretends it’s the only one tournament for all the players. For some countries I absolutely get it: qualification alone is a huge fucking deal, and they should be proud. But that doesn’t go for any of the “one love” teams. All of them have qualified for the last couple of ECs and WCs, and are expected to make the next as well.
Ultimately, I don’t know shit about how I would react in this situation, if I was put in it - and I am happy that it’s highly unlikely that I ever have to find out. But I certainly hope I wouldn’t have gone in the first place - or that I would have taken the plane home now at the very least.
j_la t1_ixconh1 wrote
“De fault! De fault! De fault!”
disgruntledpeach t1_ixd7a8b wrote
*when the players were barred from kneeling
I think that's more analogous
Julch t1_ixdbvec wrote
Aka my non argument (and closet bigotry) isn't leading anywhere and I'll walk away before I dig myself an even deeper hole?
If you actually want to see how much crazy shit Qatar has done / is still doing, go watch John Oliver's segment on the World Cup..
shirinsmonkeys t1_ixfbrxj wrote
I can excuse racism but I draw the line at homophobia
UnoSadPeanut t1_ixhbq81 wrote
Okay, but that logic can be used for anyone in the world. Why have not you or I done anything to clean it up? Why are we not dedicating our lives to fighting for equality? Why is it fair to ask them to sacrifice their careers and efforts they put into their sport while we sacrifice nothing?
Tborg42 t1_ixhcptt wrote
I am not participating. Not actively, not passively, not financially. So I would say that my hands are clean in this. They players chose not to clean theirs. It shouldn’t have come to them having to make that decision, just like it shouldn’t come to me making the decision. But it did, and I absolutely judge people on their behaviour, even if it is under circumstances they didn’t create.
They wouldn’t be sacrificing their careers. They’d miss a single playoff, don’t make a mountain out of a molehill. It’s multi millionaires, who would miss out on a prestige project, which comes around every other year. I didn’t claim that it was ruining my career, when it was evident that we should stop doing business in Russia. Because it didn’t a it just sucked to be limited - both in terms of income and prestige - because Putin (or in this case Qatar and FIFA) is an ass.
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Puwdineh t1_ixhmltd wrote
being gay is the bigger issue here. What next? we're going to accept paedophiles too?
UnoSadPeanut t1_ixjzne6 wrote
Why can't I judge you for not spending your weekends protesting outside of the Qatar embassy? You had as much to do with any injustice as the players did. Why should their sacrifice be required but yours not?
If your stance is that missing your shot at playing in the world cup is not a big deal, then you have never strived to be the best at anything. It is a big deal for them, much bigger than you giving up your weekends... yet you don't do it and ask them give up something much bigger.
dogshelter t1_ixkdt56 wrote
Being gay is no different to being straight. Being a pedophile is no different than being a murder
Being you is no different than being a bag of shit.
Mukonuru t1_ixkgrnj wrote
i don't understand this idea that just because something is part of culture doesn't mean it can't be dogshit
bride burning in india was "cultural" and that didn't make it ok either, this is literally no different
Puwdineh t1_ixkomxu wrote
not really you can't set your own arbitrary viewpoints if you accept one the surely the other is moral too.
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Tborg42 t1_ixl6sj4 wrote
No, I don’t - because I don’t participate. They add value to the event, I don’t. Can’t you see the difference?
And don’t give me shit like that - I have literally won national championships, and competed internationally. I know exactly what drive it requires to get to where they are. But people are pretending it’s the only one thing they’ve been training for, which it clearly isn’t (for the larger countries anyway). There’s an isentical tournament in 4 years, and other prestigious events in the mean time too. Players there have literally retired from international football earlier, before changing their mind, so it can’t mean that much to them.
ScrofessorLongHair t1_ixl9lcf wrote
Time to get tattoos.
KottuRoshi t1_ixlo60h wrote
thank you!
TheKingOfTCGames t1_ixlo92r wrote
Lmao you are kind of a scrub huh. Always easy to ask someone else to sacrifice while you sit on your fat ass. Some of these players arent even going to be playing in 4 years
Tborg42 t1_ixlocwu wrote
The “sacrifice” I ask is literally doing the same as I am - nothing.
But that comment tells me a lot about who you are, as a person - so I think I am just gonna park this one here, and stop feeding the Saudi Troll.
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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixmwl2n wrote
Why does them adding value matter? The point is you are expecting someone to make a significant sacrifice to address a social issue they had no part in creating, yet you are unwilling to make similar (even smaller) sacrifices to address the same issue.
Also, if you are going to take the stance that playing in the world cup is not a big deal for the players, I feel like you are not debating in good faith. So best of luck to you. I truly hope you examine your stance on this topic and change your point of view, but as it is now, I feel you are not willing to even entertain changing your opinion.
Tborg42 t1_ixn6cra wrote
You are right - I am not willing to entertain accepting genocides, slavery, and corruption. Silly me.
You keep calling it a significant sacrifice. It isn’t. It’s very rich people missing out on a prestige project that comes back every other year.
UnoSadPeanut t1_ixnr79z wrote
Then why do you not give up your weekends to go protest outside of the Qatar embassy? Again, my point is that it is unfair of you to put that expectation on them, when it is not being applied to us all.
With regards to your opinion that the world cup does not matter to the players, I'm sorry- but you are just wrong. Participating in and possibility winning a world cup is a major objective/achievement for all players. It blows my mind that you are willing to die on this hill, and if you choose too, there is nothing else I can say to convince you. You are living in your own world.
Tborg42 t1_ixnvvb1 wrote
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I am not sure if you’re trolling or seriously just not understanding. I don’t expect them to do anything actively. The exact opposite. I am giving up watching, as for many others. That’s our “passive” protests, and voting with our wallets. I am simply saying that the same should apply to players. It’s obviously their choice, and they shouldn’t be forced on anyone. But not travelling to a backward country isn’t really a “sacrifice”
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of course it matters. Never said it was a “whatever”-event for anyone. Just said it isn’t a once in a lifetime opportunity for any of the European or South American teams. That none of the players will be needing for anything for skipping out one playoff. It’s a prestige project, not anything existential. People have literally lit themselves on fire in that part of the world in an attempt to gain rights. Let’s not call not playing football for 4 weeks a sacrifice, no matter the trophy they are competing for
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(as I forgot to reply to that last time) adding value matters tremendously. If I started sending money to Al-Queda, wouldn’t people be right to criticise (and imprison me)? Or should I be completely exonerated because nobody was spending their weekends demonstrating, so they aren’t better than me, even though I actively supported a terrorist organisation?
UnoSadPeanut t1_ixofbxb wrote
I'm not sure what to say at this point. You live in your own world. Best of luck to you.
TheKingOfTCGames t1_ixtjavi wrote
you don't really understand how the world cup works in a country that gives a shit about soccer do you.
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it's not about sport at that point.
PuzzleheadedKnee1795 t1_iy4t3uz wrote
This is so stupid. Why can’t people stop being so dense and realize that it is disrespectful to their religion?
FORZA-R t1_ix8iuup wrote
Says everything you need to know about the Qatari-cocksucking FIFA