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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixbgupq wrote

Reply to comment by Tborg42 in FIFA bans 'One Love' armbands at World Cup by ambianceambiance

It is a bit silly to blame the players, no?

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Shakyy-iwnl t1_ixbps4g wrote

It’s very silly and anyone who blames the players is uneducated on the situation, and on football as a whole.

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Tborg42 t1_ixbtifu wrote

Don’t think it’s the players that created the mess, but they didn’t clean it up either.

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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixhbq81 wrote

Okay, but that logic can be used for anyone in the world. Why have not you or I done anything to clean it up? Why are we not dedicating our lives to fighting for equality? Why is it fair to ask them to sacrifice their careers and efforts they put into their sport while we sacrifice nothing?

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Tborg42 t1_ixhcptt wrote

I am not participating. Not actively, not passively, not financially. So I would say that my hands are clean in this. They players chose not to clean theirs. It shouldn’t have come to them having to make that decision, just like it shouldn’t come to me making the decision. But it did, and I absolutely judge people on their behaviour, even if it is under circumstances they didn’t create.

They wouldn’t be sacrificing their careers. They’d miss a single playoff, don’t make a mountain out of a molehill. It’s multi millionaires, who would miss out on a prestige project, which comes around every other year. I didn’t claim that it was ruining my career, when it was evident that we should stop doing business in Russia. Because it didn’t a it just sucked to be limited - both in terms of income and prestige - because Putin (or in this case Qatar and FIFA) is an ass.

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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixjzne6 wrote

Why can't I judge you for not spending your weekends protesting outside of the Qatar embassy? You had as much to do with any injustice as the players did. Why should their sacrifice be required but yours not?

If your stance is that missing your shot at playing in the world cup is not a big deal, then you have never strived to be the best at anything. It is a big deal for them, much bigger than you giving up your weekends... yet you don't do it and ask them give up something much bigger.

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Tborg42 t1_ixl6sj4 wrote

No, I don’t - because I don’t participate. They add value to the event, I don’t. Can’t you see the difference?

And don’t give me shit like that - I have literally won national championships, and competed internationally. I know exactly what drive it requires to get to where they are. But people are pretending it’s the only one thing they’ve been training for, which it clearly isn’t (for the larger countries anyway). There’s an isentical tournament in 4 years, and other prestigious events in the mean time too. Players there have literally retired from international football earlier, before changing their mind, so it can’t mean that much to them.

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TheKingOfTCGames t1_ixlo92r wrote

Lmao you are kind of a scrub huh. Always easy to ask someone else to sacrifice while you sit on your fat ass. Some of these players arent even going to be playing in 4 years

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Tborg42 t1_ixlocwu wrote

The “sacrifice” I ask is literally doing the same as I am - nothing.

But that comment tells me a lot about who you are, as a person - so I think I am just gonna park this one here, and stop feeding the Saudi Troll.

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TheKingOfTCGames t1_ixtjavi wrote

you don't really understand how the world cup works in a country that gives a shit about soccer do you.

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it's not about sport at that point.

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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixmwl2n wrote

Why does them adding value matter? The point is you are expecting someone to make a significant sacrifice to address a social issue they had no part in creating, yet you are unwilling to make similar (even smaller) sacrifices to address the same issue.

Also, if you are going to take the stance that playing in the world cup is not a big deal for the players, I feel like you are not debating in good faith. So best of luck to you. I truly hope you examine your stance on this topic and change your point of view, but as it is now, I feel you are not willing to even entertain changing your opinion.

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Tborg42 t1_ixn6cra wrote

You are right - I am not willing to entertain accepting genocides, slavery, and corruption. Silly me.

You keep calling it a significant sacrifice. It isn’t. It’s very rich people missing out on a prestige project that comes back every other year.

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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixnr79z wrote

Then why do you not give up your weekends to go protest outside of the Qatar embassy? Again, my point is that it is unfair of you to put that expectation on them, when it is not being applied to us all.

With regards to your opinion that the world cup does not matter to the players, I'm sorry- but you are just wrong. Participating in and possibility winning a world cup is a major objective/achievement for all players. It blows my mind that you are willing to die on this hill, and if you choose too, there is nothing else I can say to convince you. You are living in your own world.

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Tborg42 t1_ixnvvb1 wrote

  1. I am not sure if you’re trolling or seriously just not understanding. I don’t expect them to do anything actively. The exact opposite. I am giving up watching, as for many others. That’s our “passive” protests, and voting with our wallets. I am simply saying that the same should apply to players. It’s obviously their choice, and they shouldn’t be forced on anyone. But not travelling to a backward country isn’t really a “sacrifice”

  2. of course it matters. Never said it was a “whatever”-event for anyone. Just said it isn’t a once in a lifetime opportunity for any of the European or South American teams. That none of the players will be needing for anything for skipping out one playoff. It’s a prestige project, not anything existential. People have literally lit themselves on fire in that part of the world in an attempt to gain rights. Let’s not call not playing football for 4 weeks a sacrifice, no matter the trophy they are competing for

  3. (as I forgot to reply to that last time) adding value matters tremendously. If I started sending money to Al-Queda, wouldn’t people be right to criticise (and imprison me)? Or should I be completely exonerated because nobody was spending their weekends demonstrating, so they aren’t better than me, even though I actively supported a terrorist organisation?

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UnoSadPeanut t1_ixofbxb wrote

I'm not sure what to say at this point. You live in your own world. Best of luck to you.

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