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44MHz t1_ix8hv7w wrote
Reply to comment by BostonBoy01 in BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar criticism by AcknowledgeableReal
Not in state Churches, no.
It's the same thing.
tatxc t1_ixchuo0 wrote
In the UK any Muslim could get married in any state registry office or C of E Church a Christian could.
44MHz t1_ixcjnh9 wrote
Just like they can in churches in Qatar.
It's the same thing.
tatxc t1_ixcnh8x wrote
Yeah, no. Gays can't get married in Qatar.
Jews can't even get koshur food there right now or pray in public.
44MHz t1_ixdwe7z wrote
Neither can gays get married in many parts of Europe, like Italy.
And halal food practices are illegal in Sweden and Denmark, for example.
It’s the same thing.
tatxc t1_ixe1d0x wrote
Halal slaughter is banned in animal rights grounds. Halal food isn't, you can buy Halal food there easily.
And Italy might not have gay marriage but it does have civil unions registered by the state. That's not the same as Qatar where its illegal.
44MHz t1_ixe2fyv wrote
Gay marriage is illegal in Italy. "Alternatives" exist in both Italy and Qatar but they don't count.
Most halal food is kosher anyway. Kosher has slightly stricter preparation rules for some ingredients, but if you practice Judaism you know what these are and can avoid them.
tatxc t1_ixeq95x wrote
Being gay is illegal in qatar. Its very fucking different and you know it.
And its easy to avoid unless you're visiting a country for an event. And none of that addresses the ban on public prayer. They're both clearly an attempt to suppress Judaism.
44MHz t1_ixer1ok wrote
Being gay is not illegal in Qatar. What is this nonsense.
And Italy's ban on gay marriage is clearly a way to suppress gay people. That's Europe for you.
tatxc t1_ixgpbl4 wrote
Sexual acts of male homosexuality are illegal in Qatar, with a punishment of up to three years in prison and a fine and the possibility of a death penalty for Muslims under sharia law.
You're not fooking anyone with this disingenuous crap and you're just factually wrong here.
44MHz t1_ixgq4ks wrote
Funny, because a gay marriage is illegal in Italy, with punishment of up to three years in prison and fines.
It's even the same punishment in Europe.
tatxc t1_ixi7ccs wrote
Yeah sorry going to need a source on that one.
44MHz t1_ixie4j8 wrote
Gay marriage (or any non-genuine marriage) is a breach of art 495 in the Italian penal code.
tatxc t1_ixifgjb wrote
No, 495 is for falsely declaring on official documents and the penalty is one year.
I think you know this too, as there's never been a case of a homosexual being prosecuted under these laws.
44MHz t1_ixifrw8 wrote
There has never been a gay marriage punished in Qatar either.
So we can dismiss that one too.
tatxc t1_ixiuaas wrote
That's because qatar imprisons people for the act of homosexuality and offers no legal alternative. So we can't dismiss that at all, they're not the same and you know that.
44MHz t1_ixiwavo wrote
And Italy imprisons people for claiming gay marriage (since they are considered non-genuine). There is no legal alternative.
tatxc t1_ixj0o44 wrote
No they don't, this has been to court before. They don't go to prison, they just get reclassified as civil unions. You have no idea what you're talking about.
The LGBTQ+ safety index rates Italy 53rd of 203 countries with a score of 168. Qatar are rated 190th with a score of - 137.
They aren't the same. You know that, I know that. We're done here.
44MHz t1_ixj26ws wrote
Civil unions are not as much as an alternative to marriage as a wife is and alternative to a gay man’s marriage. These two cannot be equated.
tatxc t1_ixj476h wrote
This is nonsense, a legally binding, state recognised agreement between two people, while not perfect, is clearly better than being imprisoned for committing the acts required to develop a connection needed to enter said contact. This is a fact and its why the safety index is so heavily different. I'll only be accepting sourced arguments from reasonably objective sources from you now I'm afraid.
44MHz t1_ixjc4t7 wrote
Same for you.
Please give the source stating gays in Italy are not fighting for gay marriage to be recognized and they are happy with civil partnership as being equal to straight marriage.
tatxc t1_ixjdd4x wrote
Nobody argued that, it's the definition of a straw man. Nobody argued that European countries were perfect. And the fact you're trying to argue that is because you know the actual point of contention is irrefutable. You're just JAQing off.
The simple and irrefutable fact is that all Western European countries are significantly better places for homosexuals to live, work and visit than Qatar. The [LGBTQ+ safety index] and (https://www.asherfergusson.com/lgbtq-travel-safety/) equalidex both clearly illustrate this.
44MHz t1_ixje4n6 wrote
And European countries are significantly worse than Qatar for Muslims.
What’s your point?
tatxc t1_ixjgc07 wrote
> And European countries are significantly worse than Qatar for Muslims.
I'm afraid you're going to need a citation for the fact that Muslims' human rights are better catered for in Qatar than in the UK. Because for gay Muslims, women, foreign working Muslims or even Shia Muslims
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