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Tapprunner t1_ivvceqt wrote

Reply to comment by Tato7069 in FIFA designate human rights as political message by Dance-Psychological

Amen. Now, it's very difficult to know where a lot of things are produced. We should all do a better job on that front. I'm sure I'm not perfect.

But that's not the case with the World Cup. Everyone has easy access to information about how the Qatari government confiscated passports and worked immigrant laborers to death.

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Tato7069 t1_ivvcvo7 wrote

You have pretty easy access to information about phones being produced in factories where they have to have nets to stop people from killing themselves. Please go throw your phone in the garbage asap or you're a terrible person.

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Girthanthiclopz t1_ivvi3px wrote

They’re mad, but you’re right. So many things in your life are not ethically sourced at all and it’s not a secret. However, a World Cup is easier to live without compared to a phone.

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discgman t1_ivvdipp wrote

>You have pretty easy access to information about phones being produced in factories

This kind of information is against the law in Qatar. So is this post. You could be put in prison for even posting this

"Access to certain websites is blocked in the Gulf state. And anyone who facilitates the spread of “fake news” can be imprisoned."

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Tapprunner t1_ivvd9zv wrote

The net story was a hoax.

Also, do you work for FIFA or something? It seems to really bother you that people are noticing FIFA and soccer fans looking the other way on slavery and murder.

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Tato7069 t1_ivvg7oh wrote

No, not at all, FIFA did something wrong, and I don't really care for soccer at all, but billions of people wait years for it, don't have to try to make them feel like pieces of shit for doing something they only get to do 15 or so times in their lives.

The point of the original comment being that things you like also have shitty origins, and you're willing to turn a blind eye to that, while casting stones at soccer fans like they're the worst people in existence

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Tapprunner t1_ivvoh2t wrote

It's a sporting event. This isn't like "you might only get to see this member of your family 15 more times in your life." It's "you might get to watch this soccer tournament 14 times rather than 15.

I'm saying we should all do better. I'm not asking for 1000% perfection here. But when you do find out that something was produced with slave labor, you shouldn't help the oppressor. So, yeah, if a person knows that the Qatar stadiums were made with slave labor and they watch the games anyway, they are doing something wrong. That is a bad thing that they ought to be ashamed of.

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Tato7069 t1_ivvotyt wrote

Okay, so you should be ashamed of yourself too. Everyone should be ashamed all the time, living their lives feeling like shit for any good thing they have in their life.

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Sids1188 t1_iwxoj6m wrote

>something they only get to do 15 or so times in their lives.

And even less if they happen to be one of the workers building the stadiums.

/snark

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