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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8nwzk wrote

Before everyone calls them cheaters remember the Dodgers, Red Sox, and Yankees were doing the same thing but the MLB choose not to punish them. The MLB is a joke and doesn’t have the backbone to punish the teams that make them the most money.

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mas826 t1_iv8ojwo wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#454,188)

Kinda? Martin Maldonado used an illegal bat in game one. But by all counts it was an honest mistake and the bat was a gift from Albert Pujols. So in a super broad sense, yes. But it’s not that big of a deal and the MLB didn’t suspend him or anything. Just made him use a legal bat

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buttonions89 t1_iv8oknl wrote

I’d be embarrassed to be part of this franchise. Once a cheater always a cheater.

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Wuyley t1_iv8qjek wrote

That mattress king guy in Texas must be over the moon right now.

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MuldartheGreat t1_iv8qmjs wrote

Replying to mas826 (#454,263)

The bats of that material are more likely to shatter, but do not give any extra lift to the ball.

Pinole could keep using it because he took at least at bat with it before they were banned. Weird to keep something unsafe alive with a loophole like that

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lobosrul t1_iv8qn5i wrote

Replying to Majestic_Moosestache (#454,195)

Houston was fined 5mil, and lost their 1st and 2nd round picks for 2 seasons and still managed to be the best team in baseball. Pretty incredible really. And there are only 3 hitters left from 2017 still on the team.

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astonv t1_iv8rru8 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#454,266)

Those are not mutually exclusive. They have always been a good baseball team…that are complete scumbags for cheating. Zero respect for the organization personally, congrats on the win.

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rumblinstumblin8 t1_iv8s5vv wrote

O's fan, I couldn't root for the Astros but Trey Mancini deserves every moment of this. Happy for him

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[deleted] t1_iv8sc9d wrote

World Series shouldn’t go past Halloween.

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JJ4prez t1_iv8sckc wrote

"We want Houston"

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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8sedi wrote

Replying to TakeCareOfYoChickens (#454,376)

Astros were caught and punished for stealing signs electronically. Almost every team in the MLB was participating in sign stealing of some kind during the same time frame. It’s like the steroid scandal where basically everyone was cheating but a few people were punished.

The biggest money makers in baseball are the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox. Even though the MLB had evidence all 3 teams were cheating none were punished. Embarrassingly the MLB sent the Yankees a strongly worded letter as “punishment”. The MLB couldn’t tarnish their already dwindling reputation by damaging the reputation of the teams that make them the most money.

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Old-AF t1_iv8sieo wrote

See, cheaters do prosper.

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SimpleGalaxy17 t1_iv8t5oe wrote

So when should we start the investigation? /s

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Nopengnogain t1_iv8t96k wrote

Philly loses two championship games in one day, and they had lead late in both games. The ups and downs of being a sports fan.

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finchylols_bro t1_iv8thb7 wrote

Replying to Majestic_Moosestache (#454,195)

What proof is there the dodgers were stealing signs?

And the Red Sox and Yankees were caught stealing signs electronically, but the huge difference between what they did and what Houston did was Houston had a system to relay the signs in real time to the hitter at the plate. Yankees and Red Sox weren’t relaying the signs to the hitter in real time.

Make no mistake, Houston cheated their way to the 2017 title

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Ummyeaaaa t1_iv8u6c5 wrote

Replying to MuldartheGreat (#454,310)

And to clarify this one so there’s not further speculation from your comment…

  • Pujols (and many other players) have historically used a bat of a certain wood that, performance wise is deemed no different than any other wood type, but recently was decided was too dangerous versus other types of wood because of the way they splintered when broken.
  • anyone using that bat before the decision would be grandfathered in and allowed to continue to use that wood, but no one could begin to use that wood who hadn’t before
  • Pujols was included in the list of players exempted because he had been using it before the ban
  • Martin was in a slump at some point this season and Pujols sent him a bat saying it helped him break his slumps, so essentially sending good luck
  • Martin used this bat

So there’s no story here. Pujols didn’t realize Martin couldn’t use the bat, Martin didn’t realize either he couldn’t use it or what it’s wood type was, and it was called out and corrected. Non-story.

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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8urys wrote

Replying to jimboNeutrino1 (#454,510)

Brewers and Mets accused the Dodgers of sign stealing in 2018. A few former players have stepped out and stated they were participating in sign stealing as well.

Red Sox had the mastermind behind the 2017 sign stealing as their coach in 2018. Pretty obvious evidence for them.

The MLB admitted they had proof of the Yankees cheating when they sent them a strongly worded letter saying you did a bad thing.

Literally pulled from an ESPN article... "A years-old letter sent by Major League Baseball to the New York Yankees and obtained by ESPN on Tuesday details illicit use of technology during the 2015 and '16 seasons that was relatively benign within the context of the sign-stealing scandals that occurred around the game at the same time."

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mrhijack13 t1_iv8v3x9 wrote

Nick Castellanos caused a mass shooting and should be in jail

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LOLatVirgins t1_iv8wgn7 wrote

Congratulations to your World Series Champions, The Houston Astros 2017* and 2022*

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jeebucus t1_iv8whx8 wrote

Replying to sentientgorilla (#454,392)

I would think, since they never got punished, they probably never stopped cheating. I would also think that due to them not being punished, more teams are currently cheating since there is no repercussion. They kinda took the game down a peg.... everyone loses.

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finchylols_bro t1_iv8wl8j wrote

Replying to Majestic_Moosestache (#454,527)

No former dodger players have said the dodgers were cheating. A player who was on the 2018 brewers accused the dodgers of sign stealing. Coincidentally, the 2018 brewers lost to the dodgers in the NLCS that year. So I’m sure his comments were totally unbiased and not tinged with spite or anything…

To date, the only team that has been proved to be relaying signs in real time was the 2017 Astros. Hopefully the 2022 Astros weren’t cheating again this year.

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moochs t1_iv8wrv8 wrote

Replying to Majestic_Moosestache (#454,406)

This is being downvoted but it's absolutely right. People have already accepted the narrative and aren't willing to accept sign stealing has been a part of the sport since the 1800's, much less the modern era.

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pmp412 t1_iv8xj87 wrote

Cheaters

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willistillam t1_iv8xw17 wrote

Replying to moochs (#454,616)

Again, a 2nd baseman physically signaling signs to their hitter is different than an elaborate scheme with technology to alert the hitter. One is outside of the game, absolutely unfair, and should've been punished much more than it was.

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captainmcfuckface t1_iv8yj0t wrote

Fuck Philly! Yay!

(can’t bring myself to say “Go Astros!”)

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IAmTheClayman t1_iv8ymrg wrote

And we (LAFC) kicked the Union’s ass in the MLS Finals. Gonna be a lot of burning cars in Philly tonight

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namnle t1_iv8yvnw wrote

The Houston Thrashos have won the World Series.

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el-cuko t1_iv8z8c2 wrote

Asterisks

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willistillam t1_iv8zudq wrote

Replying to moochs (#454,674)

Your point is irrelevant and the article is trash. I found more articles on that event and it is very interesting. While it wasn't punished, it was a huge scandal that affected the team. 1951 yanks was never discovered till the 22 century so that doesn't count.

None of this detracts from my point, cheating on this scale was always a big deal. Using outside influences to swing games is dangerous for professional sport's future and sets a precedent that this can happen again.

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moochs t1_iv902xg wrote

Replying to willistillam (#454,748)

If it was such a big deal, then you would take heed to the AT LEAST 3 other teams that cheated during the same years as the Astros using cameras and technology. They went unpunished, and the Astros became the scapegoat. Anyone with a brain and two eyes understands this.

If you follow back up this comment thread, the point was always that the Astros were the scapegoats, they weren't the architects.

Also, I love how you dismiss the Philadelphia inquirer as trash, kinda hilarious if you ask me.

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lonekthx t1_iv90wpn wrote

There are 3 admitted cheaters on the team from the 2017 season. They shouldn’t be in the league. It’s a disgrace to the game.

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RubberPenguin4 t1_iv90z0j wrote

Happy for Peña the most. Kids a rookie and an absolute stud. Played out of his mind the entire playoffs.

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lonekthx t1_iv9155a wrote

Replying to Majestic_Moosestache (#454,195)

The thing is: all the teams were told to stop by the commissioner. The Astros continued to use the illegal sign stealing methods and got caught. That’s why they were punished. But you still have the cheaters in the league so was anything really accomplished?

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Admiralporkchops587 t1_iv92dor wrote

Replying to lonekthx (#454,824)

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have been punished. Cheating is cheating. But to say the players that are still on the team (which is very few) shouldn’t be in the league is absolute non-sense. 90% of this team players and coaches were not there in 2017. This team deserves the win and it’s a disgrace that fans are just blanket name calling a team when they are just flat out wrong.

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lonekthx t1_iv92qd6 wrote

Replying to Admiralporkchops587 (#454,831)

When you benefit from having cheaters still on the team, you deserve the criticism. Cheaters should be out of the league. Full stop. The players were not punished for their actions and it’s a disgrace that people are defending them.

Don’t care what team they play on. If you cheat, you should be gone to try and keep what little integrity the game has left.

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IAmBecomeTeemo t1_iv92zyv wrote

Replying to JJ4prez (#454,404)

Shit, I knew that was going to end up biting the Yankees in the ass as soon as I heard it. Houston trounced the Yanks all year, and while barely scraping through the ALDS, the fans at the Stadium chanted that. They were just asking for the big bad wolf to come blow their house down. Now Astros fans have ammo (on top of the actual postseason success) on the Yankees for a while.

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Admiralporkchops587 t1_iv938mz wrote

Replying to lonekthx (#454,842)

By that logic get rid of 90% of the pitchers in the league. Oh wait, you can’t because then no one would watch the sport.

What you are suggesting is a fools pipe dream. It’s all about money and it’s the same reason the Yankees dodgers and Red Sox didn’t get punished. You say cheaters are cheaters. So the MLB should have punished them at first notice along with the Astros. But instead they told everyone to stop, Astros got caught and everyone else came out unscathed.

What you are suggesting for the ‘integrity’ of the game is just plain dumb.

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IAmBecomeTeemo t1_iv949de wrote

Replying to Ummyeaaaa (#454,504)

From what I read, it wasn't even a type of wood that was banned. It's a maple bat, which is legal, but it's illegal if it's not dense enough. Maldonado would have had no way of knowing, because maple is one of the popular wood types in MLB and wouldn't have stuck out as different.

Lower density maple allowed for a bigger barrel profile while keeping it from swinging too heavy. This is just a preference. It's not an actual advantage because as long as you're using quality solid wood, every possible factor has a tradeoff. Players just swing what's comfortable and what compliments their approach at the plate.

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jgiffin t1_iv94unu wrote

Replying to moochs (#454,616)

You’re making a tired argument that has been debunked several times over.

Sign stealing is a part of baseball, but using technology is illegal. It really is that simple.

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Nuonorp t1_iv96wo9 wrote

With a no hitter in Game 4 and Justin Verlander's first World Series pitching win in Game 5 along the way. Go 'Stros!

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burnheartmusic t1_iv977sg wrote

Fuck the astros. Any guys on the team that were on the cheating team get zero respect from me.

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DC_KIll t1_iv97dmf wrote

I watched the final game game here in Canada. Though I did go to grad school in the US pre-2010, I had no idea who Justin Verlander was in the later years. That knowledge only came to me in the 2014 Fappening incident. He was just some jock fucking the hottest celebrity in the world at the time, ie Kate Upton, a dude that was both sending nudes and taking nudes of her. How the world moves! 😁

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Zlifbar t1_iv9bl9x wrote

And somehow they still suck.

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Cazking t1_iv9diva wrote

Replying to moochs (#454,616)

"Its absolutely right". As a Dodger fan I've tried to look up actual evidence or stats that would even look suspicious and found nothing. Look at the 2017 Astros Home/Away whiff %, they were an anomaly. The Dodgers have no stats like this and no proof.

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jtthom t1_iv9dkql wrote

Is this the first one where they haven’t cheated?

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De_chook t1_iv9g98o wrote

Who else in the world played?

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Viron_22 t1_iv9j44s wrote

Replying to Majestic_Moosestache (#454,195)

Thats fine I'm pretty sure most people would be okay with referring to those teams as cheaters anyway. Hell they overspend most other teams anyhow, why should I have any respect for them?

But the Astros, and their players from that time especially, seem so indignant about the whole thing that I can't respect them at all. They got the most weak ass punishment possible and they couldn't even pretend to act like they felt bad about it. They didn't get their championship taken away, they weren't barred from the post-season, it most likely won't even be held against those associated with it if they are inducted into the Hall of Fame. And the best part was that they probably didn't need to cheat anyway.

So fuck em, they could have won this ring in the cleanest most legitimate way possible against teams that were cheating against them, it don't matter they'll still be the *'s. If you can't even demonstrate a little bit of guilt even after you are essentially let off the hook, why should anyone ever believe that you won't do it again?

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skobuffaloes t1_iv9mvbl wrote

Okay guys you won, now show me where you hid the cameras this time

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JediTrainer42 t1_iv9p6hd wrote

Good things happening to bad people. Altuve cheated,

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JackedTurnip t1_iv9rrrs wrote

Congrats to the Astros on winning their first world series!

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JJ4prez t1_iv9vsts wrote

Replying to IAmBecomeTeemo (#454,855)

We have knocked the Yankees out of the playoffs multiple times the past handful of years. They have to get through us to get to world series, and haven't had any luck.

Philly also chanted we want Houston.

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devnoid t1_iv9zaba wrote

Congrats on their first WS win, but we’ll see.

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DaveVsShark t1_iv9zpqs wrote

How they didn't receive any kind of multi year postseason ban is beyond me. But congrats to them on their first WS title.

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[deleted] t1_iva6stj wrote

Replying to JJ4prez (#455,881)

Yes, your franchise OWNS the Yankees right now. Wish they’d all own up to the cheating and be banned from the game, but baseball is the ultimate cheater’s game. Fans eat that shit up.

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JJ4prez t1_ivac18l wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#456,325)

They owned up to the cheating in 2017. Same with Boston in 2018 too. Yankees stole signs in 2015-2016 You probably still think they cheat now. Doesn't dismiss the fact that the Yankees simply can't get passed the Astros right now. Swept them 4-0 this year in the playoffs.

Give it a rest and hope to be better.

"We Want Houston"

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DFHartzell t1_ivad3s8 wrote

Leaning in to pitches in the 9th inning for the win!

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MACh518 t1_ivb2dn1 wrote

No one gives a fuuuuuck lol

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m0nk3y42 t1_ivb45m6 wrote

Replying to WaynneGretzky (#457,067)

i dunno about that. the astros have players from all over the world and they aren't the only team. the angels have the japenese phenom, ohtani.

so it kinda IS the world series, it's just that the rules state you must be good enough for 1 of 30 teams to put you on their roster to compete for the WS.

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Sjrtx t1_ivbgucw wrote

I was there last night, and it was wild to say the least. May not ever get to experience that again. Glad I took my 16 year old son to it.

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lonekthx t1_ivgnx0q wrote

Replying to Admiralporkchops587 (#454,862)

Then let the game die if it can’t exist without cheating. Especially with the advent of legalized sports gambling. They should be straining to keep the game clean rather than just laying on the bullshit line of “everyone cheats.”

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