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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8nwzk wrote

Before everyone calls them cheaters remember the Dodgers, Red Sox, and Yankees were doing the same thing but the MLB choose not to punish them. The MLB is a joke and doesn’t have the backbone to punish the teams that make them the most money.

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finchylols_bro t1_iv8thb7 wrote

What proof is there the dodgers were stealing signs?

And the Red Sox and Yankees were caught stealing signs electronically, but the huge difference between what they did and what Houston did was Houston had a system to relay the signs in real time to the hitter at the plate. Yankees and Red Sox weren’t relaying the signs to the hitter in real time.

Make no mistake, Houston cheated their way to the 2017 title

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Valiantheart t1_iv9ysz7 wrote

"Our team cheated, but we did it with less sophistication so its fine!" - Every other teams fans in MLB

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jimboNeutrino1 t1_iv8uar0 wrote

Proof or STFU

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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8urys wrote

Brewers and Mets accused the Dodgers of sign stealing in 2018. A few former players have stepped out and stated they were participating in sign stealing as well.

Red Sox had the mastermind behind the 2017 sign stealing as their coach in 2018. Pretty obvious evidence for them.

The MLB admitted they had proof of the Yankees cheating when they sent them a strongly worded letter saying you did a bad thing.

Literally pulled from an ESPN article... "A years-old letter sent by Major League Baseball to the New York Yankees and obtained by ESPN on Tuesday details illicit use of technology during the 2015 and '16 seasons that was relatively benign within the context of the sign-stealing scandals that occurred around the game at the same time."

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finchylols_bro t1_iv8wl8j wrote

No former dodger players have said the dodgers were cheating. A player who was on the 2018 brewers accused the dodgers of sign stealing. Coincidentally, the 2018 brewers lost to the dodgers in the NLCS that year. So I’m sure his comments were totally unbiased and not tinged with spite or anything…

To date, the only team that has been proved to be relaying signs in real time was the 2017 Astros. Hopefully the 2022 Astros weren’t cheating again this year.

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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8z2at wrote

I don’t see how the MLB sending a letter to the Yankees telling them to stop stealing signs isn’t proof…

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OneCore_ t1_iv90alu wrote

nah the astros won by top-notch pitching this year

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lobosrul t1_iv8qn5i wrote

Houston was fined 5mil, and lost their 1st and 2nd round picks for 2 seasons and still managed to be the best team in baseball. Pretty incredible really. And there are only 3 hitters left from 2017 still on the team.

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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8r8vc wrote

The broadcast showing only 5 players from that 2017 team with 2 of them being pitchers still on the team. 90% of the team/organization are new. If only my Rookies could figure out how they do it.

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TakeCareOfYoChickens t1_iv8rr7g wrote

As someone who has no clue what you’re talking about, what’d they do?

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Majestic_Moosestache t1_iv8sedi wrote

Astros were caught and punished for stealing signs electronically. Almost every team in the MLB was participating in sign stealing of some kind during the same time frame. It’s like the steroid scandal where basically everyone was cheating but a few people were punished.

The biggest money makers in baseball are the Yankees, Dodgers, and Red Sox. Even though the MLB had evidence all 3 teams were cheating none were punished. Embarrassingly the MLB sent the Yankees a strongly worded letter as “punishment”. The MLB couldn’t tarnish their already dwindling reputation by damaging the reputation of the teams that make them the most money.

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moochs t1_iv8wrv8 wrote

This is being downvoted but it's absolutely right. People have already accepted the narrative and aren't willing to accept sign stealing has been a part of the sport since the 1800's, much less the modern era.

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willistillam t1_iv8xw17 wrote

Again, a 2nd baseman physically signaling signs to their hitter is different than an elaborate scheme with technology to alert the hitter. One is outside of the game, absolutely unfair, and should've been punished much more than it was.

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moochs t1_iv8yfgv wrote

You don't know much about baseball then.

https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/phillies-baseball-steal-signs-houston-astros-20200124.html

So, fuck the Phillies?

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willistillam t1_iv8zudq wrote

Your point is irrelevant and the article is trash. I found more articles on that event and it is very interesting. While it wasn't punished, it was a huge scandal that affected the team. 1951 yanks was never discovered till the 22 century so that doesn't count.

None of this detracts from my point, cheating on this scale was always a big deal. Using outside influences to swing games is dangerous for professional sport's future and sets a precedent that this can happen again.

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moochs t1_iv902xg wrote

If it was such a big deal, then you would take heed to the AT LEAST 3 other teams that cheated during the same years as the Astros using cameras and technology. They went unpunished, and the Astros became the scapegoat. Anyone with a brain and two eyes understands this.

If you follow back up this comment thread, the point was always that the Astros were the scapegoats, they weren't the architects.

Also, I love how you dismiss the Philadelphia inquirer as trash, kinda hilarious if you ask me.

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willistillam t1_iv907ku wrote

Prove it.

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moochs t1_iv90ai8 wrote

Don't be a bottom feeder dude. You can do your own web searches.

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jgiffin t1_iv94l36 wrote

You made a claim, and they’re asking for evidence. Now provide that evidence or stfu.

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jgiffin t1_iv94unu wrote

You’re making a tired argument that has been debunked several times over.

Sign stealing is a part of baseball, but using technology is illegal. It really is that simple.

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Cazking t1_iv9diva wrote

"Its absolutely right". As a Dodger fan I've tried to look up actual evidence or stats that would even look suspicious and found nothing. Look at the 2017 Astros Home/Away whiff %, they were an anomaly. The Dodgers have no stats like this and no proof.

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lonekthx t1_iv9155a wrote

The thing is: all the teams were told to stop by the commissioner. The Astros continued to use the illegal sign stealing methods and got caught. That’s why they were punished. But you still have the cheaters in the league so was anything really accomplished?

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Viron_22 t1_iv9j44s wrote

Thats fine I'm pretty sure most people would be okay with referring to those teams as cheaters anyway. Hell they overspend most other teams anyhow, why should I have any respect for them?

But the Astros, and their players from that time especially, seem so indignant about the whole thing that I can't respect them at all. They got the most weak ass punishment possible and they couldn't even pretend to act like they felt bad about it. They didn't get their championship taken away, they weren't barred from the post-season, it most likely won't even be held against those associated with it if they are inducted into the Hall of Fame. And the best part was that they probably didn't need to cheat anyway.

So fuck em, they could have won this ring in the cleanest most legitimate way possible against teams that were cheating against them, it don't matter they'll still be the *'s. If you can't even demonstrate a little bit of guilt even after you are essentially let off the hook, why should anyone ever believe that you won't do it again?

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