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WellHotPotOfCoffee t1_j9eca0a wrote

Reply to comment by dboss2310 in UK calls on IOC to maintain Olympic ban on Russian and Belarusian athletes by rejs7

A very stupid statement, whilst both situations are incredibly morally objectionable, there are so few parallels between Iraq and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

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dboss2310 t1_j9efd6j wrote

Why because your side did one of them?

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The_Ineffable_One t1_j9fnsiv wrote

The big difference is that Russia's war is a war of conquest; the UK's wasn't. But ultimately both wars were founded on abject lies.

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WellHotPotOfCoffee t1_j9fjter wrote

No, because although it didn't turn out to be true, or at least they weren't found, there was considered to be a genuine threat of WMDs. This coupled with the harboring of Al-Quaeda responsible for one the biggest terrorist attacks we have faced in recent history, gave a fair amount of credibility to such a military operation (what you see now is an invasion - because they plan to occupy and have held "elections" to claim parts as Russia already). Whether you like to believe it or not, these terrorists did actually exist, and there is still some argument that the WMDs did too. This is not to say I agree with what happened and the war again should never have happened. But please enlighten me on how this compares to what is happening in Ukraine...

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MFSheppard t1_j9g90vc wrote

No, they knew it was a lie. Have people already forgotten that the US and UK presented forged evidence that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium? Nor did Iraq have anything to do with Al Qaeda. It's actually really disheartening to hear people believing in literal 20-year old propaganda as if it was fresh. Are folks gonna talk about stealing Kuwaiti incubators to top it off?

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Conflict_Main t1_j9gfc0n wrote

Saddam did not harbor Al-Quaeda. He hated them because they were trying to destabilize his rule. The Taliban also offered to turn over Osama right at the beginning of the Afghanistan War. Bush said no. The only “WMDs” that could be claimed to be in Iraq were the chemical weapons that the US gave to Saddam during the Iraq-Iran war in the 80s. Most of the 9-11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia yet because they supply oil to the US, the US turns a blind eye.

There was zero reason for the US to go to the other side of the planet to invade two countries. I’m against the Russian invasion but they have a better rational for self defense to aid Russian ethnics in the Donbas region due to Kyiv launching an invasion there in 2014 when they didn’t support a coup/revolution of the democratically elected leadership then the US had to invade two sovereign nations.

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WellHotPotOfCoffee t1_j9ixou7 wrote

I am simply highlighting the rationale at the time, which as I have already stated "didn't turn out to be true" and I will quote myself again "This is not to say I agree with what happened and the war again should never have happened."

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dboss2310 t1_j9gfeiu wrote

Russia considers there to be a genuine threat of biolabs and bioweapons in Ukraine. (I wonder where they got that line from) 😂

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WellHotPotOfCoffee t1_j9ixi8w wrote

That's not their declared reason for the war. It's quite a basic question I'm asking and you seem to really lack the basic intellect to structure something further than a basic sentence or a valid reason. Crawl back into your hole Russian troll.

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dboss2310 t1_j9j1i4m wrote

Haha typical resorts to the baseless ad hominem.

It's one of their reasons. Which you don't seem to want to address.

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WellHotPotOfCoffee t1_j9j3kfj wrote

I will address it... Ukraine has dozens of public health laboratories that work to research and mitigate the threats of dangerous diseases. Some of these labs receive financial and other support from the US, the European Union, and the World Health Organization (WHO) - as is the case in many other countries. Despite Russian claims that these are "secret" labs, details of US involvement can be found on the US embassy's website.

I'm curious, does this in your opinion provide a valid reason for the invasion, occupation, and expansion of Russian territory from a sovereign nation?

And for the record, Tony Blair and Bush are War criminals and should be tried as such, but that doesn't change the fact that the foundations and flash points that lead to these wars are vastly different, with vastly different intended outcomes.

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dboss2310 t1_j9j5gma wrote

Ok great we agree. Both the yanks and the Ruskis invaded Iraq and Ukraine unprovoked based on lies and propoganda.

Also the us embassy website is about as credible as the Russian embassy website or Chinese embassy website lmao

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Bagel_Ballingall t1_j9ehoj4 wrote

Well the biggest difference is Ukraine is a democracy. Iraq most definitely wasn’t

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-orcam- t1_j9eph0r wrote

You can't just invade places because they aren't a democracy.

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dboss2310 t1_j9eirpp wrote

Ukraine is a hybrid regime not a democracy.

Even so why does that matter.

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WellHotPotOfCoffee t1_j9fkk8e wrote

Wars should never be started because of political frameworks. Democracy, although on paper the fairest division of power when done correctly, it is arguably not a suitable model for every country, and most certainly should never be forcefully pushed upon a country.

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