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Far_Confusion_2178 t1_j8iicc5 wrote

Reply to comment by krashlia in Michigan State cancels athletic events for 48 hours after campus shooting by PrincessBananas85

How about the time Australia banned guns after a mass shooting? They never had another after

And the UK? They did the same after a mass shooting. No issues after that.

But in America where we have 1 mass shooting a day on average? We can’t even bring up a gun ban lol

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Gnomelander t1_j8ij7le wrote

Well see these guys a couple hundred years ago said...

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krashlia t1_j8imrqu wrote

You trivialize the Law of the Nation a bit too much, by assuming its silly due to being long lived or old.

I suppose lots of things are irrelevant and foolish because they're old, but thats not a game anyone wants to play.

Remember, "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." You're free to speak without being arrested, Cops shouldn't have the right to just take your stuff, that you shouldn't be imprisoned and sentenced without a trial nor forced to incriminate yourself in a criminal trial nor go without a defensive attorney, and that its possible for later amendments to be drafted and ratified. And what "these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." Is the current foundation of most of the rights you currently enjoy (or complain about the government abusing).

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Gnomelander t1_j8iuchl wrote

My point was that the excuse used to delay or prevent gun control is that the founders intended the amendment so it can't be changed. Which is stupid considering it's called the 2nd... Amendment

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CarlThe94Pathfinder t1_j8kb4e7 wrote

These guys a couple of hundred years ago also advocated for slavery and women not being allowed to vote or own property. You're not making a good point here

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krashlia t1_j8ku5zw wrote

"these guys a couple hundred years ago said..." Is the current foundation of most of the rights you currently enjoy.

Thats what I said.

Not, "They're ever writ and word was good".

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krashlia t1_j8ikp2a wrote

"How about the time Australia banned guns after a mass shooting? They never had another after"

Shootings in Austrailia were on a decline when that law was passed. But, even then, they've had a few, actually.

Also, the former British colony just didn't have the same style of government or gun rights the US does, so doesn't face the same complication. Not that much of the US would allow it, even if the government was structured differently.

"But in America where we have 1 mass shooting a day on average?"

And you'll never get around to solving for that, because you're largely ignorant to how which guns get into what mass shooters hands in the first place.

I doubt one even knows what the average mass shooting looks like, and simply lazily imagines its Fat Cletus getting his AR-15 today, so he could use it on the local school tomorrow. I was surprised to discover that this wasn't true.

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Far_Confusion_2178 t1_j8imrub wrote

I’m pretty sure it’s mainly handguns used, that’s always been the case. If you’re surprised that’s on you. I’ve been paying attention for a few years so I’ve seen it

I’m not talking about the former British colonies, that’s not relevant to modern times imo and no excuse. We’ve solved issues like slavery, voting rights, etc. guess what? Things can change in 200+ years.

Britains gun ban was after a school shooting in 1996

Australia fun violence was on the decline anyway? They passed that law after their FIRST mass shooting lol. No one’s passing laws like “oh this isn’t a problem and it seems to be going away on its own. We should probably pass a law about it just cuz”

Let me guess your solution. More guns? Officers in schools? We all saw Uvalde so fuck that

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krashlia t1_j8ipka8 wrote

"Things can change in 200+ years."

Well, its too bad that this thing didn't change in your favor. (Also, Slavery? Voting Rights? Those were charactarized by a legalized rights deprivation, not by formally recognized criminals screwing things up for everyone)

Sorry, the gun lobby exists because the demand for guns is rather high, not because congress is so sweet on them. And its gotten higher across all demographics since 2020.

Btw, I remember being told the Republicans would support bans if they saw Black people getting more guns. But thats failed to materialize.

Now, we could look into why people aren't disarming, but... Nah, contempt for the population, or just assuming Australia and the US are alike, is easier.

"Let me guess your solution. More guns? Officers in schools?"

Just because Uvalde screwed up, doesn't mean its a bad idea, under circumstances where they're not being led by an idiot. As evidenced by the fact that one guy killed the shooter because he wasnt being hobbled by some moron chief.

Anyways... How about 10 year sentences for any violation, hole punches in drivers licenses, and system meant to catch out liars and proxy buyers before they can become trouble?

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SonOfRobot8 t1_j8irf32 wrote

The solution certainly isn’t getting rid of guns, the bad guys are gonna get them regardless. And if you wouldn’t have police officers in school cause they fail to protect the public, you want to take my ability to defend myself away from me? Fuck out of here with that.

The major issue comes down to 2 things. Police funding and mental health.

People are constantly spewing bullshit about how the police need to be defunded, but when shit like this happens who do that go crawling back to? The fucking cops… you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

We need to increase funding to the police departments so they can have better training, more equipment (more variety of equipment. Ie more less than lethal options as well as more effective/efficient ways of de-escalation), and the incentive to have better (in terms of morals and role models to the public) people in these positions of authority.

I live less than a mile from where the shootings were happening on campus and had my gun loaded next to me the entire night until it came over the police scanners that the suspect had killed himself.

And yes to answer your question about more guns. Had some or all of the students involved had guns there likely wouldn’t be as many people injured. I’m not saying everyone should have a gun but an armed society makes a polite society.

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