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ddjdrockit88 t1_j8cc3gq wrote

Not to mention the fact that the Chiefs outplayed and outcoached the Eagles in the 2nd half. That’s why they won.

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joebreezphillycheese t1_j8dbkm4 wrote

The Chiefs had four drives in the second half. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, game winning field goal. Hard to win a game like that. Chiefs earned it.

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basemodelbird t1_j8dyo7b wrote

4th one was a walk in td but he went down to run the clock.

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joebreezphillycheese t1_j8dywaa wrote

Yep. Literally a perfect second half for Chiefs offense. You have to be a little more disruptive on that side of the ball if you feel entitled to win.

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basemodelbird t1_j8e0ilq wrote

I was disappointed with the flag too but I don't think it was going to change the outcome. The touchdowns they did score were so demoralizing to a defense. I couldn't believe how wide open they got in the end zone on multiple occasions.

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thessnake03 t1_j8fa81h wrote

Takes discipline and game awareness to pull up like that and not score the go ahead TD with just enough time left for a possible come back.

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WastedKnowledge t1_j8cxpqd wrote

They went all game not calling that exact thing only to call it when the game was on the line. Respect to Bradberry but he got screwed.

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Dank_Tempsey_ t1_j8d3wx6 wrote

You're 100% right. For them not to call that all night, and then call it right at that time that handed the chiefs the win is atrocious.

If it was a hold that was on a catchable ball, I get it. But it was a weak ass hold on an uncatchable ball, at a time that they should've let them play

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jbl429 t1_j8d7irr wrote

Holding occurs before the ball is thrown, it doesn't matter if the ball is even thrown at all, or if it's thrown at a different receiver. Pass interference has to be on a catchable ball. But Mahomes saw the hold and just threw the ball in JuJu's direction to draw attention to the hold.

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midas282000 t1_j8f3d2u wrote

Listen to this guy. He is correct. It was uncatchable because he was held.

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DavidsGoliath t1_j8e41i1 wrote

Which is another reason why it’s a ticky tacky call. Machomes overthrew him by 25 yards. The ONLY purpose of the throw was to draw the call. Which is kind of like flopping in the NBA; rules are rules, but it’s complete bullshit to exaggerate it in your favor.

If you watch that same drive, Kelsey got mauled in a crossing route by the LB, and no one had eyes then.

Juju gets basically escorted at the end of the game and suddenly they call it?

If it had been called all game, it makes sense

If it wasn’t called and had NOT been called all game, it makes sense.

It wasn’t called all game then matters in under 2 min left? Everyone should call that what it is, competitively bankrupt.

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jbl429 t1_j8e4xhv wrote

No, it's not flopping. The Chiefs ran the same route when they had a player isolated on one side of the field several times in the game and Philly had no answer. Toney already scored a TD on the same play on the opposite side of the field. If Bradberry doesn't grab Juju, it's an easy touchdown. You can't even say it was uncatchable, because the hold happened first, and if he wasn't held, Mahomes throws a different pass.

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DavidsGoliath t1_j8e7noi wrote

You know what? I looked at it again and the ball is closer than my hyperbolic suggestion.

I still will ride on the fact that the refs are at fault for not acting logically consistent. Every sentient mind on earth wants logical consistence in actions and behaviors. You painted 3 of 4 walls…why? You parked your car only HALF in the garage why? The zombies can’t walk in water till they suddenly can to drag a dragon corpse ashore why?

The refs at best had a “hey the games on the line, you can’t do that!” Response and that’s simply not what they’re paid to do. Either the rules matter all the time or none of the time. Suddenly deciding it’s important with sub 2 min in the game is at best suspect, and at worst legitimate game fixing; accidental or otherwise.

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jbl429 t1_j8ear0x wrote

The consistency part is the one I can agree with the most, for sure. But also, at that point in the game, it was the biggest play in the game. You can't let a game changing penalty go uncalled.

I think, as someone who watches a lot of football, you want to see the SB games called the same way all season. But there's so many casual fans watching the SB that the league doesn't want so many flags.

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GISftw t1_j8ek65n wrote

I think the problem is the replay Fox showed is of the wrong hold (probably intentional). If you watch the replay, at the very beginning the hold has ALREADY OCCURRED. It's Bradberry's RIGHT hand holding Smith-Schuster that was called, not the tiny LEFT hand grab that happens later.

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RibeyeRare t1_j8f66ap wrote

And props to Mahomes, he knew it was a hold and so threw at juju, then immediately petitioned the ref. That was heads the fuck up play right there, what I generally expect from Andy Reid’s team leaders.

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alphasierrraaa t1_j8mi059 wrote

McKinnon sliding was excellent coaching and discipline too chefs kiss

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spamdabuttons t1_j8gz4ex wrote

Mahomes is a lip licking whiner. Always pointing and crying for penalties.

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Citizen_Snips29 t1_j8dgbby wrote

A defender with a fistful of the receiver’s jersey is called 100% of the time it is actually seen. It is a super obvious and easy call to make that doesn’t require any judgment.

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BTsBaboonFarm t1_j8jrfmt wrote

> 100% of the time it is actually seen

Refs for the first 58 minutes: 🙈

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tommmey t1_j8eoscq wrote

Eh, it was the softest tug of the jersey for not even half a second that had zero effect on the play in the biggest moment of the season. Soft touches like this happen on almost every single play and almost never get called. Refs have the ability to exercise discretion and absolutely messed it up on that play

If you think the refs were right to call that, you probably also think someone who gets fined for going 61 in a 60 had it coming

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Qwertyui606 t1_j8c5ry5 wrote

It's a shame that the narrative was instantly 'oh man the nfl is so rigged phantom call'. The initial broadcast replay was awful and made it look like nothing happened. Mahomes clearly saw the hold and threw in that general direction to call attention to it, thinking he had a free play. Without the hold, the play probably results in a touchdown, bradberry was beat. It sucks to end the game like this, but it was certainly the right call.

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Perturabo_Iron_Lord t1_j8cj8wy wrote

The Fox broadcast was awful all night, rarely showing good angles of important plays or calls. Olsen poring gasoline on the situation by constantly saying that it shouldn’t have been called even after seeing the better angle didn’t help either.

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spanctimony t1_j8d1q1e wrote

People keep saying Olsen is so great and has surpassed Romo etc.

I don’t get it. He’s awful to me.

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creightonduke84 t1_j8dirqh wrote

Romo went downhill and lowered his bar hard

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spanctimony t1_j8dmubn wrote

I just want more of that year one Tony where he calls the plays ahead of time.

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creightonduke84 t1_j8dncw4 wrote

It makes me wonder, The longer your away from the game, the more homework and film study your most likely need to pull that off. Maybe we just need to resolve announcers to the recently retired, or just accept it’s a cool party trick with an expiration date.

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spanctimony t1_j8dnzud wrote

I flip back and forth from thinking it’s that to thinking it’s the NFL telling him to stop doing the play prediction.

The thing is, concepts don’t change that fast in the NFL.

The most successful offense in the league is the Shanahan offense. Not Kyle, but his Dad Mike. Yes, it has changed some and continues to evolve, but there are only so many approaches and strategies. It’s not so much that the game evolves, it’s more like rock paper scissors where scissors might fall out of popularity because everybody is doing rock, but then some people start doing paper to defeat rock, and all of a sudden scissors is viable again.

That’s obviously absurdly simplified and just to illustrate a point, but the NFL is more cyclical than evolutionary.

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R011_5af3_yeah t1_j8etjsi wrote

When the cte kicks in. It'll hit Olsen harder i think. Not wishing or nothing. Bradshaw has a steel plate for a skull, no idea how he's still coherent so mmv.

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Laschoni t1_j8d89qe wrote

Romo is probably worse at this point. But not because of any great ability on Olsen's part - Romo just cratered over the last 2 seasons.

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FerdaCoach t1_j8cz9zy wrote

True.. but way better then having Joe Buck.

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mkhopper t1_j8d1di8 wrote

Barely. There were times when I would say, "you know, I almost miss.... no, no I don't."

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FlipTheFalcon t1_j8dplhr wrote

After the first fumble recovery into the touchdown, I don't think they ever showed another replay of it. Not even ONCE.

Not even during the halftime recap!!!

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EoTN t1_j8d1gm0 wrote

Fox throwing fuel on a dumpster fire? Noooooooooo, couldn't be

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Entrefut t1_j8dpm5f wrote

Sounds pretty standard for the Fox brand.

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midas282000 t1_j8f49yt wrote

You are correct. If also says it is a clear hold, people aren’t complaining. Whether they think it or not they were influenced by his words.

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idungiveboutnothing t1_j8f6qul wrote

Olsen had zero clue what he was talking about with every single penalty and review throughout the night. Every single one of those booth reviews was blatantly obvious how it was going to go if you know anything about the catch rules or watched any game in the past 5 years and Olsen acted like it was some travesty they were overturning calls.

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ME5SENGER_24 t1_j8d5571 wrote

That’s cause Olsen is an absolute fucking retard in the booth. Every time I hear his voice, I ask myself which athlete asked for more money and didn’t take the role, giving way for Olsen to be on air? The entire time this was being replayed he wouldn’t let Kevin Burkhardt speak, even though Kevin was clearly correct in saying when the hold occurred and not looking at the final 3 seconds of the play. Literally anyone would be better to replace him…or nobody! Kevin could’ve called the Super Bowl by himself last night and nobody would’ve cared Olsen wasn’t there

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Cactuszach t1_j8d27tp wrote

Mike Perrera: We need to see the rest of the play as contact occurred before the pass.

Greg Olsen: Nah bad call omg

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creightonduke84 t1_j8dipo8 wrote

Olson isn’t wrong, if the jersey doesn’t stretch, you don’t aren’t offering any resistance to the runner. Plus it happens on a minor level on almost every play. And Olson is an offensive player, he kind of knows what impedes his route

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TheNextBattalion t1_j8eh126 wrote

I think it would have been overthrown, but it would have made a tight play for sure

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EatSleepJeep OP t1_j8c7t77 wrote

If the hold doesn't happen, he hits Juju in that flat, and if caught, he waltzes into the end zone for a touchdown. Instead it gets thrown away, and people are screaming "uncatchable".

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Beaker717 t1_j8ca7gc wrote

Wtf are you talking about. The jersey grab barley slowed him down and the ball was overthrown by 20 feet. Bogus call and blew the game. Not saying the eagles would do have won but it just stopped all play and let KC just walk away with it. I’m not saying shit is rigged but that was a terrible call

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Wrcklgg t1_j8cb5wn wrote

Except he did hold, and admitted it, so clearly not a bogus call. Maybe a soft call, but not a bogus call. Also the replay doesn’t show the earlier contact that occurred, he essentially held him twice.

Also, if we’re talking about shitty calls how about the refs overturning the complete pass that led to a fumble recovery and touchdown for the chiefs? I’d say that was a questionable one to overturn as well, the player stabilized the ball and turned his body, making a football move, before being hit.

It works both ways.

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Beaker717 t1_j8cbl4l wrote

Dude… he’s falling on the sword.. if you watch the highlight and honestly think it hindered the play in any way you’re crazy. I usually agree that a foul is a foul. But that shit gave them the auto 1st down and won them the game by letting them run out the clock. Play was dead before any flag was even thrown

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ThisMartyMcFly t1_j8cj32v wrote

So you agree it's a penalty... except when you don't want it to be...

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Frozen_Pancake t1_j8ctj7n wrote

Its not about whether its a penalty, its about that being the first one they call all game in a pivotal moment after letting them play like that all game.

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ThisMartyMcFly t1_j8cuskf wrote

Did you ever think that maybe they warned Bradberry that if he kept holding they would call it...??

Like how he held Juju on the 3rd and 8 and got away with it..??

So if it's a penalty. Don't do it!

Don't commit a penalty then cry when it gets called!

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Frozen_Pancake t1_j8ekzpw wrote

He… he didn’t. He admitted that it was a penalty… Thats the post.

The Chiefs had their share of uncalled holding calls too, the point is that it feels like a dirty way to end a good game by having the refs make a (pretty soft) holding call for the first time all game.

If thats going to be called holding it needs to be consistent through the whole game.

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Chronic_Samurai t1_j8dih2d wrote

I have never heard of this rule where a penalty can’t be called at pivotal moments if it wasn’t called earlier in the game.

If the eagles roughed the kicker during the game winning FG attempt. The refs aren’t allowed to call it because they haven’t called one earlier in the game?

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wilderjai t1_j8coo4w wrote

The Miles Sanders fumble recovered for a TD. Their not talking about that.

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Somashl t1_j8c9fth wrote

A hold is a hold... Even if it's for a few seconds..

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Key-Ad-9027 t1_j8dwowy wrote

Instances like this gotta be in the hundreds of milliseconds

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bartturner t1_j8d843k wrote

He should know. But boy it sure did not look like he grabbed much. This is coming from a KC fan.

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creightonduke84 t1_j8dizo1 wrote

From a Philly fan, KC shredded our defense. I think all you ask for is the players to decide the outcome. I don’t think it changes the inevitable, but it really shows refs are arbitrary at best on flags.

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slayer991 t1_j8dq9mj wrote

Personally, I thought that while technically was a penalty, it was a ticky-tack call in the SB with the game on the line. Additionally, I don't believe the minor jersey grab affected the play at all...he still wouldn't have been able to get to the ball.

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SilverSlong t1_j8e2ndl wrote

yea it really fucked the game over for me. was epic until that one play, then was just sitting there like really. they gonna let the SB end like this?

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tweedleleedee t1_j8ezrs7 wrote

Clearly not "a minor jersey grab" when video shows a jersey stretch about a foot long. The ball was thrown after the jersey grab and Mahomes saw the grab and expected the penalty call. I get it that Eagles fans think their team could score again if the penalty is not called. But it was.

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slayer991 t1_j8f4pzm wrote

>r the jersey grab and Mahomes saw the grab and expected the penalty call. I get it that Eagles fans think their team could score again if the penalty is not called. But it was

I'm not an Eagles fan...in fact, I don't like any Philly team and root against them. I think (and many others have as well) thought it was a weak call. I'm happy the Chiefs won, but it was a weak ending to a great SB game.

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tweedleleedee t1_j8ft0q8 wrote

The eagles player has admitted it was a hold so I think it's case closed.

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slayer991 t1_j8g1ib8 wrote

That's not really the issue. I'm not disputing it was a hold because technically it was. My issue is the refs calling the hold on what looked to be pretty ticky-tack call with the game on the line (and it was a great game). That would be the time to swallow the whistle.

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_Joe_Blow_ t1_j8eabz8 wrote

I’m still not getting the outrage. Olson and Fox showed and commentated on the wrong call. It was an extremely obvious hold when viewed from the angle the refs made the call from, the man’s jersey was stretched over a foot from the hold. I’m decently sure from watching at other angles Patrick Mahomes intentionally threw to the receiver because he saw the hold and knew it was a free play/penalty since juju was beating Bradberry, and if he hadn’t made that throw I still think they would have scored a touchdown that drive by making another play.

The eagles don’t get to win the game when they allow the chiefs to basically go 4/4 on all their drives and score in the second half. All 4 drives could easily have been touchdowns too. The chiefs were the better team and it’s not like the refs gifted it to them. The eagles got plenty of calls too especially with some of the reviewed catches going their way. I still don’t think that goedert catch was a catch personally for example.

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city_city_city t1_j8eg769 wrote

If they don't call that, the Chiefs just kick a field goal from farther away, right? they still probably win

Very soft penalty though

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TheNextBattalion t1_j8eh6ay wrote

It was a question of time. 2 minutes with three timeouts is an eternity for an NFL team to score. Instead, the Chiefs left them with 10 seconds.

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tommmey t1_j8enkw6 wrote

It gives the ball back to the Eagles with ~1:30 on the clock and a timeout which is plenty of time to get into field goal range

It would’ve at least set up a great ending to what was, to that point, a great game but instead the penalty allowed the chiefs to take two knees and run the clock down

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Ssehano t1_j8c9swr wrote

the holding call shouldn’t have happened. His hand on his back had no effect on his route. This Super Bowl was too good for that call to dictate the outcome

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EatSleepJeep OP t1_j8ce5ty wrote

Greg Olson commentated the wrong view: https://imgur.io/QvLlDll

This is what slowed Juju down and allowed Bradberry to get the left hand in him too.

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spanctimony t1_j8d21ho wrote

Greg Olsen was a solid D- last night. The whole broadcast team was extremely subpar.

It’s wild, we had one of if not the best actual games in the Super Bowl, but we had possibly the worst halftime show and commentator performance in history.

How about when their rules analyst totally botched his analysis on that catch that was overturned on review? He sounded totally incompetent in that moment.

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jbl429 t1_j8d7myf wrote

Former Vice President of Officiating right there too.

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AcidSugar1414 t1_j8da9dv wrote

I love that you brought up the half-time show unprompted. Really tells me how much I can trust your opinion.

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spanctimony t1_j8dmppm wrote

Trust my opinion?

Why would somebody trust an opinion? What the fuck nonsense are you on about?

What does me bringing up the half time have anything to do with anything?

Are you a bot?

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AcidSugar1414 t1_j8ee7r6 wrote

OP was talking about the last penalty, and Greg Olson’s calling of it.

Your point of bringing up the halftime show was showing evidence of how “Wild” the Super Bowl is. What about the halftime show made last night wild?

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spanctimony t1_j8erxky wrote

You must not be a native speaker of English, so I’ll be kind.

My use of the word “wild” is analogous (similar) to “crazy” or “notable” or “interesting”.

I was saying “it’s interesting and slightly crazy that…”, sub that in for “wild” and see if that makes any more sense.

“It’s interesting and slightly crazy that we had one of if not the best actual games in the Super Bowl, but we had possibly the worst halftime show and commentator performance in history.”

The pronoun “it” does not refer to the Super Bowl.

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AcidSugar1414 t1_j8gcub3 wrote

Please, tell me. What makes it the worst halftime show in history?

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spanctimony t1_j8gdr23 wrote

Really?

You mean aside from the pop artist who doesn’t write her own songs, who didn’t even bother holding the microphone to her face at times, who showed up incapable of doing any sort of dance performance, who didn’t bring out any other artists (as is customary) to amp things up, who hasn’t had a hit in 7 years, who turned the NFL down “for moral reasons” a few years ago but now has an album to promote? Rihanna isn’t a timeless artist. She’s a pop star who isn’t relevant anymore, and didn’t bring what was needed to relaunch her career. She took the job knowing she was pregnant, and then phoned in this half assed effort?

The only decent thing about the half time show was the suspended platforms.

Contrast this against last year which was arguably one of the best half time performances in history, or compare it against The Weekend from two years ago (who I can’t stand as an artist but he brought his A+ game for the Super Bowl).

Name some worse half time performances, I dare you.

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AcidSugar1414 t1_j8gek8t wrote

Bro, it’s all subjective. Your allowed to have your opinion. I just wanted to hear it.

But 1995 though?

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Xadefinn t1_j8czdeh wrote

I wondered about this moment if it was the hold. But serious question: he isn't past the line of scrimmage yet, does this affect the ruling?

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Hi_HeresMyOpinion t1_j8dzjep wrote

If he jammed him between the pads before he got passed the line then fair play. But jersey pulling is never a legal move.

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