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82ndGameHead t1_j7xzzlf wrote

They held out Devin Hester again!?

They're slowly turning into the MLB Hall of Fame

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DaRizat t1_j7y4eop wrote

He had a 2 year peak and then largely did nothing of note. 11 of his 19 total return TDs came in his first 2 seasons. Then he had 8 the rest of his career. That's not HOF, especially for a special teamer.

I love Hester but the fact he was even a finalist is a complete joke to me. Sorry.

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jgiffin t1_j7yam30 wrote

That’s one way to look at it. Another is that he has the most punt returns in NFL history.

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DaRizat t1_j7yapdi wrote

So everyone who has one NFL record makes the Hall of Fame? Seems like a crazy low bar.

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jgiffin t1_j7yawxr wrote

Of course not. But I don’t think the distribution of returns throughout his career should necessarily play a role in their decision making. The fact that he has the most punt returns in NFL history (by a wide margin) takes precedence over that.

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DaRizat t1_j7yazso wrote

I think HOF worthy careers are people who can't be stopped simply by kicking the other way.

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jgiffin t1_j7yb3px wrote

In other words, special teams players aren’t worth HOF?

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DaRizat t1_j7yb7rk wrote

I'd argue that they don't and they haven't been up until now.

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jgiffin t1_j7ybel6 wrote

Then why did you even mention the distribution of punt returns throughout his career? If special teams players are automatically not suited for the HOF, that should be irrelevant.

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DaRizat t1_j7ybpss wrote

It's a solid argument regardless of his primarily being a ST player. His peak was 2 years. 11 total returns in 2 years then 8 over the next 7 seasons. Put that kind of statistical drop off on any player in the NFL and they aren't making the HOF. He's simply not a HOF player, unless all you care about is one record.

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jgiffin t1_j7ycbfp wrote

Idk, makes sense to me that the NFL should have at least one punt returner in the HOF, and he’s the obvious choice.

He definitely had a major drop off, but that doesn’t negate from what he was able to accomplish. It seems to me that even if he continued at the pace of his first 2 years, you’d still say he isn’t worthy of being in the HOF by virtue of being a special teams player anyways.

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DaRizat t1_j7ychmu wrote

Not at all, if we were talking about more than 19 TDs maybe I'd reconsider. If you're going to put one PR in, you could make a case for Brian Mitchell over him since he did it more consistently over a longer period and was a better positional player. He's 2nd all time in AP yardage and Hester is 49th. And he's only trailing Hester by 4 TDs

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jgiffin t1_j7ycxdv wrote

>I think HOF worthy careers are people who can't be stopped simply by kicking the other way.

>Not at all, if we were talking about more than 19 TDs maybe I'd reconsider.

Well which is it lol

>And he's only trailing Hester by 4 TDs

That’s a lot when you’re talking about 14 vs 10. Almost 30% less. Imagine if the NBA scoring leader was 30% above second place…

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DaRizat t1_j7ydhkp wrote

I don't see any contradiction. Like I said we're talking about 19 total KR/PR Tds. You think 19 good plays is enough for a HOF career when there are every-down players with far greater contributions not making it in? That's nuts to me.

On your percentage point you're arguing my point that the total number of TDs is so insignificant that 4 would be a huge percentage.

It's fine to think Hester was awesome, I do too. He's just not HOF worthy to me.

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